Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:29 am

After using the Honda for several years, I'm thinking about getting a different snow blower for the following reasons:

1). 9hp is good, but a wider unit with 13 horsepower would be better!

2). I really get tossed around quite a bit with the Honda. I'm not getting any younger!!

I think the Yamaha YT1332ED with its "skid" style steering will be easier to handle. I could be wrong, but according to the people that use the Honda HS1336iAS which has the same "skid" style steering, they are much easier on the arms and legs. And, with the current exchange rate, along with the price of a sub-compact tractor, its not that bad of a deal.

As crazy as this sounds, I'm looking for someone to drive across the US/Canada border, pick up the Yamaha and then meet me half way. For that, I'm willing to pay $ 500 dollars. Please PM me if interested.

https://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/details-build-price.php?model=4790&group=SB&catId=92
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: lzaharis On: Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:19 pm

I glad to see that went back to track drive for those
little snow hungry monsters. They had wheel drive the
last couple of years when they came back into the
Canadian walk behind snow clearer market

They have made another winner of a snow caster.

The Yamaha dealer in Newfoundland will ship them to you
according to the statement he made on the Yamaha snow
blower forum a while back.

Did you compare the price of a BCS two wheel tractor with
a 2 stage snow caster? the 710, 718 and 722 models are on
sale now. The 739 has the Honda GX 340 engine but the
fumes it puts out are horrific.

The other bad thing is the throttle and choke linkages are exposed to
the weather and unless you have a salamander to warm them up
and melt the ice or a very warm garage the controls become inoperable

one of members of http://www.tractorbynet.com made an aluminum shield to cover the
linkages to keep the snow and ice off the engine by attaching it to the
gas tank so it covers the tank and thew linkages at the same time with
one sheet of sheet metal.



I was using premium fuel and the other issue with the
GX340 is the way the muffler is so poorly set up to divert
the fumes as they stay close to the ground.

I got so sick from the fumes on the 340 that powered my
firewood processor I ended up buying a catalytic converter
from Foley Engine service two years before I sold it at a profit.
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:11 am

Hi Leon,

Thanks for the reply and sharing your experiences. I am aware of BCS and Grillo brand machines. I love them, just not sure about how effective they are because I've never used one. It's intriguing as they can mount countless attachments. I could switch between a plow and either a one-stage or two-stage blower. I need something that physically very heavy that tracks straight with little effort. The Yamaha should be superior to the Honda, but I'm not sure if the BCS would be?

I'm also a member of the Yamaha forum and for those interested here is the link below. I'll see if I can find the dealers name and phone number.

http://yamaha-snowblower-fan-club.10963.n7.nabble.com/
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:23 pm

I have been very impressed with my John Deere 1332PE. 13hp.
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:36 pm

Rob R. wrote:I have been very impressed with my John Deere 1332PE. 13hp.


Rob, are you referring to your green & yellow Ariens snowblower ??
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:20 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:
Rob R. wrote:I have been very impressed with my John Deere 1332PE. 13hp.


Rob, are you referring to your green & yellow Ariens snowblower ??


Yes, although I think it may be built by Murry. In any case, I get your point - it is made by someone other than JD and sprayed green.

I have been very happy with it so far.
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:51 pm

Yep, color/manufacturer don't mean much when it comes to how something works. Glad you're happy with it R.
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:43 pm

Rob R. wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:


Rob, are you referring to your green & yellow Ariens snowblower ??


Yes, although I think it may be built by Murry. In any case, I get your point - it is made by someone other than JD and sprayed green.

I have been very happy with it so far.[/quote]

I do know that Ariens was the builder of John Deere snow blowers for many yrs.,it is totally possible that John Deere has gone to another company for their Snow blowers. If it is indeed a "MURRAY",then it would actually be a Briggs & Stratton because B/S bought Murray out of bankruptcy around 2005/2006 iirc. What brand engine is on their ,Rob, is it a Briggs engine ?

John Deere did always spec some extra features on their units ,some of which only increased the quality or performance of the unit.
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:17 pm

David, I will send you a picture of the engine info.

To the original poster, I am not trying to discourage you from finding a Yamaha, just letting you know there might be another option for a nice machine.
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:53 am

Hi Rob,

Hardcore snow blower guys (those without access to plows or tractors etc) know that Yamaha and Honda make the best snow blowers on the planet. No other unit really compares. But, Yamaha is even better than Honda, which is why I've been trying to get one. The Japanese always keep the best things for themselves. :mad:

In hindsight, maybe I should have gotten the 13hp Honda with track drive?
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: NJJoe On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:55 am

Kinda late in the thread but wanted to post my support for Honda snowblowers. No experience with a yamaha other than spotted my neighbor with one the other day after reading this thread and his is like 20 years old. Never changes the oil and it keeps on chugging. I pointed out that he has an expensive quality machine (he had no idea-got it for free)and a little bit of maintenance would go probably another 20 years.

As far as me, I have 2 Honda snowblowers and could not be happier. First one was dug out of my dads basement. He sold his house and moved into a condo complex and stored the snowblower. It sat for 10 years in the basement with the same gasoline, oil; never prepped for storage. Tires dry rotted and went flat. 2 years ago I pulled it out of his basement and brought it to a honda dealer for them to overhaul. Still works great and throws snow further than my other neighbor's new ariens. Honda GX engine is legendary and everything is designed/built thoughtfully and better than other snowblowers. Yes you pay a premium for Honda but you are getting a much better machine.
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:24 am

I have been working full time on lawn & garden equipment for over 14 yrs. & have worked on almost every brand along with testing them all. While I will agree that Honda makes a good quality ,long lasting snowblower,i also know that honda still to my knowledge has not equipped their units with power steering. For users who have never had the pleasure of operating a unit with this feature,you likely think it is just a gimmick. I won't buy a snowblower without the power steering feature on it. This feature turns an unruly hard to handle big snowblower into a very manageable machine for even old folks to use.
When comparing Honda or Yamaha price to other quality brands out there like Cub Cadet or Columbia & then look at the life expectancy of each & realize that ALL companies will eventually make some parts obsolete within a 20 yr time frame...

I will buy the Cub Cadet or Columbia for much less money than Honda or Yamaha..

My unit will have some features not yet seen on Honda..
My unit will last for 25-30 yrs & I base that figure on the number of those units coming into my shop that are still operating at that age.

With all that being said...
If you want a Yamaha & can afford a Yamaha,buy a Yamaha...
Don't spend the rest of your life wishing you had bought a Yamaha.

Just thought that I would put options out there you may have not considered.

When I mention any MTD product like Cub Cadet or Columbia...
There are those on this forum who are so uneducated & biased against what they perceive MTD equipment to be based on their experience with that equipment sold thru the box stores,that they fail to realize that MTD makes a commercial grade unit for both Cub Cadet & Columbia. These units are built with heavier everything,steel included & still far below the PREMIUM prices of Honda or Yamaha.
Enjoy your purchase choice :)
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:59 am

I agree with David that the power steering is well worth having. Easy turning as well as tweaking the path without wrestling a heavy machine. Instant free wheel to manually back up or to maneuver in storage.
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: lzaharis On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:19 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:Hi Leon,

Thanks for the reply and sharing your experiences. I am aware of BCS and Grillo brand machines. I love them, just not sure about how effective they are because I've never used one. It's intriguing as they can mount countless attachments. I could switch between a plow and either a one-stage or two-stage blower. I need something that physically very heavy that tracks straight with little effort. The Yamaha should be superior to the Honda, but I'm not sure if the BCS would be?

I'm also a member of the Yamaha forum and for those interested here is the link below. I'll see if I can find the dealers name and phone number.

http://yamaha-snowblower-fan-club.10963.n7.nabble.com/

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Hello Mark,

About the Grillo and BCS two wheel tractors keep in mind that the 2 wheel tractor when used with the snow casters will be set up with the handlebars reversed and the engine facing you while it is operating using the snow caster, lawn mower and sweeper for example.

Now the issue becomes tires and tire size for traction as they use agricultural tires
which is a 23 degree bar tread/R2 as standard equipment.

Some models/brands have provisions for wheel weights and the tires can be loaded with windshield washer fluid for ballast to prevent the tubeless tires from rusting out from a liquid calcium chloride ballast.

Just as an FYI to you the single stage units are light and the gentleman that I mentioned previously with the home made engine cover uses a single stage unit. What to prevent it from riding up was to put bars on the on the snow caster housing to mount round weights on it to keep the snow caster from riding up on piles of packed snow.

Many owners use snow and ice chains on their BCS and Grillo 2 wheel tractors also as a traction
aid so keep that in mind.

The Berta folks in Italy make the snow casters for the BCS and Grillo 2 wheel tractors and they are very well built snow casters designed to be used in the alps. Two stage units are very heavy and also direct drive gear driven attachments with NO V BELTS.

The single stage units sold for BCS and Grillo are also built by Berta and other brands made in Europe (Rolba is just one) for their market and could be imported by Joel at earth tools

The Berta Web site is not working now for some reason but it is accessable to look at attachments.

You can visit the earth tools web site and find lots of videos and plenty of information from Joel who is the business owner about BCS and Grillo 2 wheel tractors.

There are plenty of BCS videos on youtube showing the machines operating with almost every attachment they use.

Its a case of how much work you have for a machine like this and how many attachments you would need like a lawn mower or flail mower(much safer) a sulky to ride when mowing, a powered cart for hauling or a towed cart with a seat for hauling material.

There are a lot of small acreage side hill farmers in Europe that use these machines for haying and other tasks like snow removal and they use many attachments like sickle bars and hay tedders and hay accumulators to move hay to a lower elevation on a side hill to bale it with mini balers used on thier 2 wheel tractors.

You can also visit the http://www.tbn.com web site and scroll down to the 2 wheel tractor home page and have a huge amount of good information to read and then decide what you want to do.

Joel at earth tools is always happy to talk to anyone that would like more information and he ships the machines to your door with four or five hours of run time on the machines he sells as he always makes sure that they are running properly before he ships them or when a buyer comes to his place to pick them up.

About Yamaha, they left the US and Canadian snow blower market years ago because of the slow sales due to less costly machines being made. Many of the old machines are still being used by their owners or sold for parts to other owners of the original machines.

The gasoline engines and snow blowers were made in South Korea in the beginning and rebranded by Yamaha and now they are being built by Yamaha in Japan and shipped east by the short container load to both Canada and Europe.
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They decided to re-enter the Canadian market with a wheeled unit a few years ago and it they sold very well and many dealers like the one on Newfoundland I know of could not keep them on the showroom floor.

The original models had track drive and many folks are still finding replacement tracks for them in Northern Europe in Finland or Sweden.

The units are heavy only made with a two stage snow caster and built that way to prevent them from riding up on snow pack.
They gained all thier experience about snow casters from their use on Hokkaido Island in the northern prefectures and the western prefectures on the Sea of Japan that are subject to heavy wet snow falls.

Ontario has a huge Yamaha Power equipment Dealer Network and you can locate the one nearest you across the border with their dealer search engine.

Here are two of them to start with anyway

Tillbury Yamaha 1-888-870-6151
Tillbury, Ontario, Canada

5 Star Yamaha
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada 1877-953-5597

Its more of a case of where you want to cross the border to purchase one.

I hope I have not bored you to snoring ;)
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Re: Honda vs Yamaha Snowblowers.

PostBy: NJJoe On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:49 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:While I will agree that Honda makes a good quality ,long lasting snowblower,i also know that honda still to my knowledge has not equipped their units with power steering. For users who have never had the pleasure of operating a unit with this feature,you likely think it is just a gimmick. I won't buy a snowblower without the power steering feature on it. This feature turns an unruly hard to handle big snowblower into a very manageable machine for even old folks to use.


Honda snowblowers are sold with a power steering feature. They call it fingertip steering. Quoted from the website:

"Left and right control levers provide easy and intuitive steering control. The steering control levers also provide easy movement and transport, even with the engine off. Just pull and hold both levers for neutral, then easily roll the snow blower."
NJJoe