INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:26 pm

Smitty, perhaps your right so please help a fellow coal brother with very limited education & skills by pointing out where it says that the Gov. can ca deem a
SMITTY wrote: COMPLETELY SANE AND RATIONAL veteran INCOMPETENT ... and then appoint a fiduciary (which CAN be a total stranger) to handle THEIR LIFE!! This is BULLSHIT!!
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:30 pm

SAM - does the government ..... or anyone ......... REALLY have to tell you what they will do?

READ YOUR HISTORY. Governments do what they want when given the opportunity.

Why are we allowing the opportunity???

What if they deemed YOU, Sam, mentally deficient because you frequent Nepacrossroads? They could tell you .. "that's a right leaning extremist site!", and therefore you are a threat to yourself and others ....

Would that make it true? Even I give you the benefit of the doubt, Sam.
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:26 pm

No problem Smitty.
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:49 pm

Exactly who is that decides if an individual is competent?
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: bigstick6017555 On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:30 am

after hearing all this talk about mental competence/ incompentence examination being given to all gun owners or military personnel and all the other controls, it appears to me that whenever statements like this are made no one ever seems to sit down and think at what they just said. we can come up with millions of ideas, and try to make it sound good, but never how it will be done. Just throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. in just this brain storm alone the logistics of it make it nearly impossible, unless you are willing to spend and waste billions upon billions of dollars to implement the program, and with our current fiscal problems where does the money come from. Also who runs the program ,? The gov. it seems like they can not run any thing without it going haywire. How do you enforce this? more controls. how often are the evaluations given ? 6 months? 12 months? who sets the perimiters? and costs? And what will they be. Will it be who we associate with, what we read, hear or watch. Or maybe what club we belong to, or where we live or where we have been. as you see it could get out of hand real quick. I guess this will mean another department in the gov., love to hear what they would call this one. What really bothers me is the people swallow this up, I would think that when some group wants to control you mentally others would open their eyes and say what the hell is going on, but in this no common sense society there is no hope for that.
Every day I wake up I wonder what I will hear today that is crazier than what I hear yesterday!!!!
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:31 pm

The VA has records to fall back on as to what treatments were asked for or needed & civilian Med. records say much as well like if your on a Prozac type med. & what dose, if you have never been treated & show no outward signs maybe even police records then you are in the clear. It could be that people that thought they were out smarting the Gov. at the time & got a draft deferment by claiming they were mentally unstable, I can think of two right off hand & they would have a vested interest in not wanting any kind of new gun ownership check that would bring up their past. Don't know for sure but possible. :idea:
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:28 pm

Sam, if they can't enforce the laws we already have as Biden stated, then what makes you think they will be able to enforce new ones? The Government has proven their incompetence time after time so why would you think this will keep guns away from people that can not LEGALLY have them? Or is it that they want to keep them from people that can LEGALLY have them. For god's sake if you drink alcohol you could be at risk because alcohol distorts thinking. We have more than enough laws already. Wonder if the Secret Service (SS) members are prohibited from drinking alcohol :?:
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:44 pm

Like I said before then SB, allow anybody to do whatever they want & see how that works out, where does one start or stop? To me it doesn't sound unreasonable to close loopholes & have checks but there again I'm not trying to hide anything. There were gun laws (bans) before & Bush repealed them, same with all the other woes that many cry about & blame Obama for things he had nothing to do with, like just about every other Pres. they might have the chance to change things like welfare & such but few ever even try. As I said again I could care less what is done can be undone, if there is nothing ventured then there is nothing gained.
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:12 pm

samhill wrote:Like I said before then SB, allow anybody to do whatever they want & see how that works out, where does one start or stop? To me it doesn't sound unreasonable to close loopholes & have checks but there again I'm not trying to hide anything. There were gun laws (bans) before & Bush repealed them, same with all the other woes that many cry about & blame Obama for things he had nothing to do with, like just about every other Pres. they might have the chance to change things like welfare & such but few ever even try. As I said again I could care less what is done can be undone, if there is nothing ventured then there is nothing gained.


Where did I ever say let anybody do what ever they want? The ban that EXPIRED was a waste of time and money. It was not repealed as you seem to believe. Please explain the loopholes that need to be closed. I am all for changing welfare as it's not a right. The 2nd Amendment is a right and welfare is a handout and unconstitutional.
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:04 pm

I said to let anyone have or do what they want, why not they is nothing in the 2nd A. that says you can't own any weapon you want. How does a ban on any weapon cost money? Perhaps lost revenue for the maker but not the taxpayer. Bush said he would have extended the ban if a what he called cleaner version hit his desk, it didn't so it was allowed to expire, sorry for the poor choice of words, Obama should have also allowed the tax cuts from Bush expire & then simply try to reinstall the ones for the middle class IMO but he didn't.
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:13 pm

samhill wrote:I said to let anyone have or do what they want, why not they is nothing in the 2nd A. that says you can't own any weapon you want. How does a ban on any weapon cost money? Perhaps lost revenue for the maker but not the taxpayer.


Are you trying to say that making new laws is free? Passing and enforcing laws indeed costs money. Are you becoming incompetent? :nana:
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:18 pm

The loopholes I talk about are being able to buy a weapon from a private dealer or person without any record or background checks. It may not be legal everywhere but in most cases & states it is, when I had my business I could have sold them every time I had them without a check or record, I go to auctions where I see them sold all the time even being a Pa. resident I can buy from some in Ohio.
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Re: INFURIATING!!VA attempts to disarm vets deemed "incompetent"

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:21 pm

Hey SB, you mean to tell me that Congress voting to repeal Obamacare somewhere around 30 times cost money as well, they are there getting paid to do nothing anyhow. :nana: :box: Heck even if I was incompetent I could still own my guns. ;)
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