Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Kent On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:56 am

Dallas,
I took your advice and used some matchlite-- no problem getting the furnace going this time. Thank you! Carefully added coal and burned off the volatile gases, and loaded it to about 2/3 of the top of the firebricks, then I set the coal/wood thermostat upstairs to 70 degrees (I think all that one does is control the automatic damper control in the ash door at the bottom of the furnace), then I closed the top damper to a crack, closed the stack damper most of the way, and went to bed. Woke up this morning to a house that was 75 degrees! For years burning oil, I had it set to 60 degrees at night-- what a change! But my new wife, who just moved back from living years in Florida to escape the heat, is not too happy with the results. Are there some techniques I can employ which will back off the heat? Besides opening a window? I opened the stack damper a little bit before I left for work. The coal was still burning good when I left-- I bet it will still be alive when I return from work tonight. (Will then have to learn to "shake down" the ashes and reload.) Thanks folks. -Kent
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Stove/Furnace Make: "Home Heater"
Stove/Furnace Model: hand fired coal/wood circa1980

Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Kent On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:58 am

I forgot to mention. My wife suggested building a smaller fire next time, but I do not think that will be the answer-- will make me work more often and still provide a similar amount of heat. Which of us is correct? -Kent
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Stove/Furnace Make: "Home Heater"
Stove/Furnace Model: hand fired coal/wood circa1980

Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:57 am

You need less air going through the coal, you can drop the draft down to almost nothing once you get it going.
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Kent On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:34 pm

Richard,
It is safe to close the damper on top and on the flue pipe? There is an automated device controlling the damper at the bottom on the ash door. -Kent
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Stove/Furnace Make: "Home Heater"
Stove/Furnace Model: hand fired coal/wood circa1980

Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:24 pm

Kent wrote:I forgot to mention. My wife suggested building a smaller fire next time, but I do not think that will be the answer-- will make me work more often and still provide a similar amount of heat. Which of us is correct? -Kent


No matter how little heat you are looking for, you should always build the fire to the maximum the firebox holds. Trying to run a small fire will be frustrating a won't save you anything. You are much better off filling the firebox to the top of the firebrick, the coal will be happier and so will you. The heat output is controlled by the draft settings, it will only burn as much coal as the draft's airflow allows. The warmer it is the less you'll have to tend with it, a small fire will bite you sooner or later.

Any details on the automated draft damper? Electric or bi-metal control? Name on it?
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Kent On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:37 pm

Coaled Sweat,
Thanks for your assistance. I will check it when I get home and get back to you. As you can probably tell, this is my first 24 hours of using this furnace. Another question, Is there a good place to purchase tools, like a special shovel for taking out ash and not get burned by hot coals? BTW, if you want a good version of "In a Cold Sweat", try the funky blues version done by the Bone Shakers in "Book of Spells" 1997. http://www.amazon.com/Book-Spells-Bones ... 692&sr=8-1
-Kent
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Stove/Furnace Make: "Home Heater"
Stove/Furnace Model: hand fired coal/wood circa1980

Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: av8r On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:00 pm

I bought a small fireplace shovel at Lowes in the seasonal isle for $1.58 Bought a big coal bucket (black) with a lid there also for $15.38 and a 3 quart feed scoop at the feed store for $4. Feed scoops work great for filling buckets, hoppers, etc.
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: oliver power On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:27 pm

Try turning the thermastat down some. Instead of 70* , try going 60* , etc.. As others have said , the air flow is what you want to slow down. I'd be carefull of closing any stove pipe damper in any coal stove. One thing you can do is shake the grates less. Or sprinkle some ashes over the top of the coal. The more you understand your coal stove , and how it burns , the more you will be able to dictate the heat output.
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Kent On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:41 pm

Coaled Sweat,
Thanks for your suggestion. The automatic thermostat control damper says on it, "Erie Motortrol 6.5 watt". I tried to poke and shake out some ashes and reloaded the coal tonight. It''s now 72 degrees in here. Oliver Power, I turned down the thermostat to 65 degrees. Thanks. Maybe it will help. -Kent
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Stove/Furnace Make: "Home Heater"
Stove/Furnace Model: hand fired coal/wood circa1980

Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:07 pm

Kent wrote:Richard,
It is safe to close the damper on top and on the flue pipe? There is an automated device controlling the damper at the bottom on the ash door. -Kent


Ideally you want to control it without a manual damper, less air equals less heat and if you can achieve that by other methods then that's what to do. spreading ash over the top as suggested above works well. Additionally if you are using nut coal try some pea coal instead. It's much easier to control than nut because less air...
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: coalstoves On: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:12 am

Richard S. wrote:
Ideally you want to control it without a manual damper


I disagree, a Manual Damper is an integral part of regulating a hand fired coal stove .
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:34 am

coalstoves wrote:
I disagree, a Manual Damper is an integral part of regulating a hand fired coal stove .


Tell that to my aunt who's been burning coal for 50 years and doesn't use one a Franco Belge, apprently she doesn't know what she's doing. Why does she not use one? Because it doesn't need it. Fact is people use hand fired stoves all the time without them. Sometimes you need it, sometimes you don't . Does this situation need it? I really don't know and neither do you. ;)
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: coalstoves On: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:52 am

Richard S. wrote:
coalstoves wrote:
I disagree, a Manual Damper is an integral part of regulating a hand fired coal stove .


Tell that to my aunt who's been burning coal for 50 years and doesn't use one a Franco Belge, apprently she doesn't know what she's doing. Why does she not use one? Because it doesn't need it. Fact is people use hand fired stoves all the time without them. Sometimes you need it, sometimes you don't . Does this situation need it? I really don't know and neither do you. ;)


You should try and install one you might be pleased at the results, I bet that chimneys soooo Hot you can barely touch it
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:23 am

coalstoves wrote: I bet that chimneys soooo Hot you can barely touch it


Incorrect it doesn't need it, period. The old Pittston stove she has in the basement does though, completely different situation with that stove. What works for you or in a particular situation may not be necessary or needed by someone else and I don't understand why some of you can't comprehend that.
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Re: Another newbie question-- Wow, too much heat!

PostBy: JerseyCoal On: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:56 pm

Hi Guys:

I have never had a manual damper on my hand fired coal stoves and, in my ignorance, can't imagine a situation in which I would want to have one.

Assuming a constant draft, the burn rate is regulated by the amount of underfire air flow. I accomplish that with the bi-metal thernostat which controls the flap on the air intake.

If weather or wind conditions distort the draft in the chimney, my barometric damper will prevent an increase of the desired burn rate.

Can anyone tell me under what circumstances a manual damper would be of any use??

John C.
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