Solution to noisy transflow blower?

Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: jtmalt On: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:32 pm

I'm looking for suggestions on a problem with my Alaska Kast Konsole II. This unit has a transflow convection blower mounted to the lid of the coal hopper. Last year, the 14 year old transflow had become so noisy that I purchased a replacement from my local stove dealer. Earlier this coal season, THAT blower had begun screeching when running full speed (it's connected to a Coal-trol). I purchased yet another replacement, and this one has lasted only a few weeks before it began to screech at anything over 50% speed.

I'm stumped. It seems that the source of the noise is the sealed ball bearings on either side of the motor shaft.I've torn both the motors down, and I can feel a "rumble" in three of the four bearings. I'm wondering if they're failing either from heat (we run the stove at a hotter temp since we got the Coal-trol) or from dust (this year's coal supply is especially dusty).

I'm wondering if I should be looking for a unit with sleeve bearings instead of ball bearings, or if the solution lies in another direction. I'm inclined to switch over to a squirrel cage blower (like my combustion blower) and hang it off the side of the coal hopper, with some ducting to direct the air over the stove plenum. Has anyone ever tried refitting a Kast Console like that? Any advice is appreciated.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kast Console II

Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:01 pm

If I may, I'd suggest not running the blower by way of the Coal-trol. Control the speed of the blower by other means. Although a retrofit to remotely mount the blower may help.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
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Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
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Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: jtmalt On: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:20 pm

I was speculating whether the Coal-trol had something to do with it. My thinking is that by default, the Coal-trol only runs the transflow when it's stoking above a certain rate (which can be set). The problem, I think, is that when the thermostat is no longer calling for heat, the stoking rate drops, as does the speed of the transflow. I imagine that can result in a situation where the stove is still very hot, but the transflow is running slowly (or not at all) and overheating the sealed bearings.
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Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:26 pm

I'm sure the Coal-trol is a great product, but it is tricky to have it be "one size fits all".

Can the Coal-trol be adjusted some how to run longer (delayed time to turn off) and/or set to a slightly higher minimum speed? That would be advantageous. :)

How did Alaska control the blower before the Coal-trol? I'm thinking maybe a thermo-disc switch...on and off at a fixed temp. range. Could this have gone bad and need replaced?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
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Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:44 pm

Set the CFT to 0 on the coal trol. Set the CFM to 40.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: jtmalt On: Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:51 pm

@McGiever: Before the Coal-Trol, the fan was attached to a rheostat, and we always kept it running at least on a low speed.

@Flyer5: I'm realizing that's probably how I should have set it up from the beginning, but now that I've (apparently) cooked two $100 transflows, I'm a little gun shy. If I go that route, any suggestions on whether I should look for a sleeve bearing motor for the third try, or stick with the ball bearing units I've been using?

Would still love to hear if anyone's ever done a refit on this type of stove.
jtmalt
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kast Console II

Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:10 am

jtmalt wrote:@McGiever: Before the Coal-Trol, the fan was attached to a rheostat, and we always kept it running at least on a low speed.

@Flyer5: I'm realizing that's probably how I should have set it up from the beginning, but now that I've (apparently) cooked two $100 transflows, I'm a little gun shy. If I go that route, any suggestions on whether I should look for a sleeve bearing motor for the third try, or stick with the ball bearing units I've been using?

Would still love to hear if anyone's ever done a refit on this type of stove.



Doing a retrofit would be a pain. We have been using a Fasco blower that they made for us. They have been working well. I don't recall getting any back yet, they are what we have been selling for the past yr or so. They also carry a 1 yr warranty.

Can you just replace the bearings in your motor? I am home so I do not have one to look at right now.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:20 am

Flyer5 wrote:Set the CFT to 0 on the coal trol. Set the CFM to 40.


my friend Flyer is a man of few words :P but like EF Hutton... "when he talks people listen"

Im not sure this helps at all, but this user seems to have same issues Convection blower power port failed
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Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: jtmalt On: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:36 pm

Found an easy solution....picked this up at Sam's Club for $65 bucks. Set it on speed 2, hooked it up to the Coal-trol, and positioned it so that the airstream is being caught by the plenum of the stove. Pushes a LOT more air than the transflow, and is a lot quieter than the transflow ever was, even when new.

This works so well, I probably won't bother replacing the transflow at all.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
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Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: ntp71 On: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:57 pm

LOL..I had a similar problem just recently. My Convection Blower which is a Trans Flow type was screeching as well. When I would "BAM BAM" it, it would stop for a few seconds then continue. My cat started to mimic the sound too...sleeping was becoming unbearable.

I did set CFT=0, and CFM=40, but I also took it apart and inspected it. I then plugged it in disconnected from the stove and it did not make any noise at all. Once back in the stove the screeching returned. What I found was that if I didn't tighten the screws all the way down while securing the blower it would not screech. There was a metal to metal vibration going on somewhere with mine.

Hope this help.

Neal
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Re: Solution to noisy transflow blower?

PostBy: jtmalt On: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:51 pm

Yeah, Neal, I was hearing the same thing. I'd pull the transflow out, clean it, plug it in, and it would be quiet. Put it back in the stove and it would screech like a banshee. Tried loosening the screws, riveting it in, even tried a layer of ceramic fiber as a gasket to eliminate metal-to-metal. Nothing would stop the screech once it ramped up to high speed. Finally, after I posted about this, it died completely...feels like the ball bearings are shot. Could be that the housing was getting torqued somehow and caused the bearings to wear.

The wife is actually thrilled with this makeshift solution...it really is washing a lot more heat off the stove, and because of the lower rpm it's a LOT more quiet. I keep thinking that it can't be this simple, but I'm having trouble seeing a downside to it! :D
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