Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:15 pm

The Federal departments deserving massive funding cuts (but not likely to get them) include (but are not limited to):

Homeland Security
TSA
Domestic Drones
FDA
ATF
Presidential vacations
War in Iraq
War in Afghanistan
Drone killings all over the middle east
US Military bases in half the worlds foreign countries
Fast and Furious
Foreign Aid

Rather than cutting a mere $85 billion, they could probably get rid of $$ trillions just with the above list.
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:16 pm

I guess all I'm saying Jeff, is quit constantly biting the hand that feeds you--for the record--all of us pay taxes to help situations like yours. Yours is the difference between NEEDING & BUMMING-- :) You think you'll ever lose that resentment with your previous employer. :clap: toothy
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:21 pm

Working in the steel mills there were quite a few times that we were put on a four day week, it hurt but we still made more than layoff. Working five & only getting paid for four would suck but sometimes you have to do what you can, they could always quit.
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:40 pm

bet it would be different if it was your wallet :!:
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:41 pm

freetown fred wrote:I guess all I'm saying Jeff, is quit constantly biting the hand that feeds you--for the record--all of us pay taxes to help situations like yours. Yours is the difference between NEEDING & BUMMING-- :) You think you'll ever lose that resentment with your previous employer. :clap: toothy


Don't know what you are talking about.

My employer made a perfectly reasonable and predictable move.

In fact, I predicted it after about 2 weeks of working there and the ten years after.

And I don't really "resent" my union who was a major factor in the move. They know who was right and who was wrong. And that is enough for me. :)

But you're right. I shouldn't bite the hand that feeds me. Maybe you'd be happier if I requested more? I'm pretty sure I'm eligible for quite a bit more. You'll be happy to suck up more taxes correct?
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:43 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:bet it would be different if it was your wallet :!:


It would! But austerity is coming to one and all (if not here already) whether we like it or not. The $85 billion cut is in fact austerity.
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:45 pm

yeah.......so just throw between 12 and 20 grand a year out of your wallet and let me know.

I agree with the need to cut but not from the worker. they are crooked bastards who made this decision. Period!
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:54 pm

About the only other choice would be to cut some of the loopholes & you know that ain't gonna happen. The bad part is they are cutting a lot of what might be deemed necessary instead of looking real hard for over the last year or better & picking & chosen we all know there is plenty of pork but they can't seem to find any. The more you decrease the work force the less tax revenue that comes in, cut worthless programs that don't need much manpower like welfare, that would be the first cut. You know things are getting serious if they lay off the personal trainers & such at their private gym that very few use or get rid of their private medical care.
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: gaw On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Here is the 2011 budget in a simple graphic format from the CBO. I would think this stuff is public domain so no copyright problems posting it.
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To take the numbers from this chart and make a real world analogy; imagine you had a take home income of $23,000 a year but spent $36,000 a year and already had a credit card balance of $101,000. You can see this is not a formula to get out of debt. The deficit is a problem but the debt is a bigger problem and this so called sequester is not even going to make a dent.

Call it schadenfreude, but if you work for the gubment and you just got hit with a 20% pay cut, and we all know this is temporary, I don’t care. The reason most people want to work for the gubment is job security, welcome to the real world.

Just wait until the proverbial *censored* really hits the fan, I can see it now, wailing and gnashing of teeth….where did I hear that before?
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:29 pm

http://the-free-foundation.org/tst3-3-2013.html

In fact, the entire $1.2 trillion dollars that the sequester is supposed to save could be realized by cutting one unneeded, wasteful boondoggle: the $1.5 trillion F-35 fighter program. The F-35, billed as the next generation all-purpose military fighter and bomber, has been an unmitigated disaster. Its performances in recent tests have been so bad that the Pentagon has been forced to dumb-down the criteria. It is overweight, overpriced, and unwieldy. It is also an anachronism: we no longer face the real prospect of air-to-air combat in this era of 4th generation warfare. The World War II mid-air dogfight era is long over.
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: DieselBob On: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:05 am

lsayre wrote:The Federal departments deserving massive funding cuts (but not likely to get them) include (but are not limited to):

Homeland Security
TSA
Domestic Drones
FDA
ATF
Presidential vacations
War in Iraq
War in Afghanistan
Drone killings all over the middle east
US Military bases in half the worlds foreign countries
Fast and Furious
Foreign Aid

Rather than cutting a mere $85 billion, they could probably get rid of $$ trillions just with the above list.


Good start lsayre and I found a few more that could be cut or closed.

U.S. AbilityOne Commission
Administration for Children and Families (ACF)
Administration on Developmental Disabilities
African Development Foundation
U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID)
AmeriCorps
Appalachian Regional Commission
Broadcasting Board of Governors
Bureau of International Labor Affairs
Citizens' Stamp Advisory Committee
U.S. Commission of Fine Arts
U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom
Office of Community Planning and Development
Congress—U.S. House of Representatives
Congress—U.S. Senate
Coordinating Council on Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention
Corporation for National and Community Service
Department of Education (ED)
Office of Elementary and Secondary Education (OESE)
Endangered Species Committee
English Language Acquisition Office
Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity (FHEO)
Federal Consulting Group
Federal Financing Bank
Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac)
Federal Housing Finance Agency
Federal Interagency Committee for the Management of Noxious and Exotic Weeds
Federal Interagency Committee on Education
Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae)
Federal Reserve System
Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board
Fulbright Foreign Scholarship Board
Government National Mortgage Association
Healthy Homes and Lead Hazard Control Office
House Leadership Offices
House of Representatives Committees
Illinois and Michigan Canal National Heritage Corridor Commission
Indian Arts and Crafts Board
Interagency Council on Homelessness
Inter-American Foundation
James Madison Memorial Fellowship Foundation
Japan-United States Friendship Commission
John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
Morris K. Udall and Stewart L. Udall Foundation
National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform
National Endowment for the Arts
National Endowment for the Humanities
National Gallery of Art
Office of Community Planning and Development
Office of Disability Employment Policy
Office of Elementary and Secondary Education (OESE)
Office of Refugee Resettlement
Open World Leadership Center
President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports
Public and Indian Housing
Radio Free Asia
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL)
Rehabilitation Services Administration (Education Department)
Rural Business and Cooperative Programs
Stennis Center for Public Service
U.S. AbilityOne Commission
U.S. Botanic Garden
U.S. Commission of Fine Arts
Voice of America
White House
Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars

Of course there would be an excuse why we have to absolutely have each and every one and why even a reduction in the rate of growth, what the government euphemistically calls a spending cut, would be armageddon. Back to the original question. I do not have a problem with cutback hours and pay or layoffs for government workers. Do I like to see anyone have to take a cut in hours or be laid off, no, but the government employee is not a protected class of individual to be spared hardship at the expense of other citizens. I have over my working career been laid off and have had to work for less then 40/hrs a week. Every company I have worked for over the last 35+ years has had to make cutbacks in staffing levels and paid hours for those that where left to meet budget from time to time but one of the striking differences was we never received back pay for the days we didn't work and the company couldn't extort more money from the customers just to keep the budget growing. Going by the way the government like to fudge numbers and miss use the english language I have taken a pay cut the last 3 years in as much as my expenses have increased but my income has not. No raises and no COLA's for me.
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:06 am

Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board , U.S. Agency for International Development , Federal Interagency Committee for the Management of Noxious and Exotic Weeds WTH is this stuff :mad: I dont need some stinkin' fed committee to tell me i dont like golden rod growing around my house :mad: and how about a US agency for US development (make sense...WTF) and how about leaving the thrift investment to the salvation army (i dont think they take our tax money....maybe they do LOL)

WTF is going around here.... to the streets i say! :taz:

Im convinced any of us would do better making proper cuts then any of these guys in DC, some of this stuff is just ridiculous "no-brainers"... what is the problem here... why are some of these ridiculous expenditures still going on :shock: ???
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:16 am

dcrane wrote:Im convinced any of us would do better making proper cuts then any of these guys in DC, some of this stuff is just ridiculous "no-brainers"... what is the problem here... why are some of these ridiculous expenditures still going on :shock: ???



Because Romney lost!
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: Paulie On: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:42 am

I think the drones should and will keep flying and killing. 5pts is not a deal breaker. Every family and entity in the US has slashed
more than that since 08, why shouldn't the gov? Whats the big deal? There is not one budget that 5pts can not be found. The dead lock in gov is a crime. Ron and Tip got it done in there day, what is up with this crew? Lazy? Stupid? Greedy? All?
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Re: Federal Emplyee's forced to pay/time cuts

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:07 pm

Yet they keep getting paid with OUR money for doing that NOTHING--very sad situationThe only good news I see, is that a bunch of us older guys have a lot less time left to suffer through it then you young bucks :(
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