Diary of a Surdiac

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: Vermonster On: Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:27 pm

I have a bag of rice coal left? Buckwheat is smaller than pea correct? I also have one bag of nut. I will eventually get a stove that will suit my purpose better. Until then I will keep on truckin. I will slice her up before I watch the Patriots game.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 713 Rest in peace! Chubby Coal Stove
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut coal
Other Heating: oil boiler

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:34 pm

I normally favor pea coal in my set up. It works the best for me in my stove. I experimented for many years with different sizes. In my particular case pea works the best. It may not work well for someone else. I have had bad coal from time to time and mixed it with a different size to make it work for me. Again, I have easy access to any size from barley to stove size so it's simple for me to do this. It may or may not be convenient for others.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark II
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Nut, & Stove Anthracite

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:35 pm

Yes, buckwheat is smaller than pea.
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Coal Size/Type: Pea, Nut, & Stove Anthracite

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Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:04 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:well,this thread has convinced me... i'll never burn coal,NEVER......... wait! wsherricks video's offer an alternative to stove slavery.SERIOUSLY guys,reading this thread only,would definitely turn me away from coal burning.Being a stove keeper slave is worse than being a slave to providing wood to our OWB every 6-12 hrs.Throw it away ,even a harman will work better.just my .00001 cents

These are the kind of comments I "thrive" on. :D Thanx for the incentive to press on. I realize there are stoves that perform "differently" than others. I don't know all the limitations of each stove, and understand mine has some too. And I'll except them, once I know what they are. I've talked to and read about people with these stoves, and most, (if not all) spoke highly of them. My only gripe is not being able to achieve a burn time long enuff to get a good nites sleep, and be able to awake to a fire that will continue to thrive. I'm sure this stove, and others Surdiacs, will at least go 8-10 hrs on low, and still be able to burn W/O going out.
I'm not a professional installer, and the stove is not new. With some experienced members, who have the patience to help a newbie like me,(and others) out, I'm "hoping to achieve success. Maybe the nay sayers will be able to say, "I told you so" at the end of this thread. But then again, we all might be pleasantly surprised if for some "strange" reason, we become victorious. I'm not afraid of playing around with the underdog, in an attempt to utilize an appliance already in my possession. Personally, I'm not a fan of the style, and in the future will upgrade to something a little more "cosmetically appealing". But for now, I'm not freezing my family out of the house. Just learning the ropes right now.
I've just returned from a daily excursion, and have started up my stove again. but not before a few mods, with quite a few pics. For those of you who may be interested, I've lined my skirting with insulation,AND did some porting, (as in cylinder heads), to help out the breathing of this system. it's late right now, so I won't get to the story till sometime tomorrow. Stay tuned. :)
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:27 am

Awesome joeq, looking forward to seeing what you did :D ..
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:04 am

dcrane wrote: in the morning after its 8 hour burn, do you find it hard to gain back that entire bed of burning even across its field? are the outer perimeter areas dead and now you need to start shifting & shoveling to try and get red coals back to the outer perimeter while trying to get the unburned/clinks somehow shifted to the top center to burn completely into ash?


Apologize for the belated reply DC, but as mentioned, I was gone for the day. To answer your question, I've noticed with this hopper fed stove, when awakening to a "weak" bed of coals, a simple cleaning of the grates, and an open ash pan door for 5 or 10 mins. will get it to take off, completely, the entire bed. But sometimes, there ain't enuff to get it to relite. depends on.....? (Still working on that one.)
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:04 am

OK, let's start here. This is the condition of the "dead" firebox, after the other nite.
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The top photo shows not much ash. The black (fresh) coals in the lower one is because I did some scraping of the grates to see if I could save it...(not). Also notice, the lack of accumulated ash around the perimeter of the firebox. It's been "much" worse.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:10 am

These next series of pics will show the parts of the stove, as I dis-assemble.
over the grates
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Under the grates (with ash pan removed)
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:25 am

This is the thermostatically controlled air valve/damper, located at the bottom rear of the stove.(notice the 3 clean-out access ports in the frt.
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And it may be tough in this pic,(below pic) to get your barrings, but this is one (of 2) exhaust ports, located at the frt top of the fire box.It exits into some side ducts that direct the air into the rear heat exchanger, where the stove pipe is located. The port is up high, next to the hopper.
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And this is the baffle that covers the intake damper, to prevent ash from falling out onto the floor, I guess.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:39 am

Now to the good stuff. Re-assembly. The concern of secondary air going around the liner/skirting, doesn't seem too plausible, due to them sitting directly on a shelf, which becomes clogged with ash. but seeing the stove was apart for cleaning, I took the liberty of stuffing some insulation in there.
This is some under the sides
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and the rear liner. (tough to see, but it's there.)Image
And as Lee mentioned, I tested this stuff out for heat, and it didn't disintegrate under high heat conditions.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:41 am

Ohhhhhh Boyyyy...The excitement is building :woot:
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Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:52 am

On to another mod. When inspecting my grates, I noticed that the slots either had an accumulation of "crud" or the factory didn't do a good job of removing the flashing. (OR both) What-ever the case, the slots seemed very narrow and restrictive. Thinking towards any internal combustion eng., the more air/fuel supplied to it, the more heat/power will be emitted. In our automotive hot-rodding endeavors, we port out cylinder heads to provide more air flow, so why can't this work, on the grating system of a stove? I took to the garage, and got out my die-grinder, with a carbide burr, and started "cleaning/hogging". Don't know if you can see the difference in these pics.
In this shot, the fwd grate has been opened up, and the rear one has not.
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In this one, both grates are done. Took about a 1/2 hour total.
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I'm hoping this will not only allow more air, but will take longer to clog thru the "wee" hrs of the morning.
joeq
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:07 pm

Now we have a clean stove...again, with insulated liners, and some opened up grates.
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Will it pan out? I started the stove last nite, and got it fully fired about 1 am. This is what the fire looked like then, before bed.
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And this is what it looked like an hour ago. (9 hrs later)
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I can't say this is a 1st. The trick now, is to try and prevent ash from clogging...everything. I need to pay more attention to how I clean them (especially before bed). And in the future, I will install the baro-damper, only because I don't see it "hurting" anything, and because the manufacturer highly recommends it.
Now , for all that's reading, I hope something in this thread helps you, even in a small way, with your stove, and if nothing more, might give some people a reason to giggle. :) (up-dates to follow.)
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: warminmn On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:00 pm

I see you ported the slots. I think I mentioned I did that. And the insulating... good job! Can you still use pea or do you have to switch to nut?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Junior, Efel Nestor Martin
Coal Size/Type: nut and stove anthracite. Soft coal
Other Heating: wood

Re: Diary of a Surdiac

PostBy: joeq On: Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:30 pm

I still will use pea, warmin. The slots aren't "that" much bigger. I tried mixing nut with pea, thru peoples advice in the past, but the hopper won't allow the big chunks to drop.Just got all stopped up at the bottom mouth of it. As you can see, the hopper bottom is seriously deteriorating, and I'm planning on cutting an inch or so off the bottom, in the summer, just to clean it up, but also maybe it'll allow a slightly taller coal bed.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

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