The Start of my White Pine Flooring

Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:20 am

AA130FIREMAN wrote:
NWBuilder wrote: You can also go with a water based poly and that can be sanded in a small area for repairs as well.
I found that the water based poly used on red oak left no color to the wood, without stain it was bla bla. Oil poly for all my floors.


They do make a "natural" stain that is almost clear. I love the water based poly, it's just too easy to wok with. You'd have to be an idiot not get a decent finish with it.
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: Freddy On: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:31 am

Beautiful logs! I'm sure they'll make for good flooring. It's such a cool thing to make your own lumber.
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:20 am

Thanks for the kind words Freddy...

This section of our woodlot has really surprised me. 20 years ago I looked at the wood thinking I might cut the pine, but upon closer inspection realized it was too small and never gave it another glance. Then last year I started looking at it harder and realized the Pine had really exploded in size in the last 20 years. So had the Hemlock that surrounds it.

So this summer, when it was so dry that I could get a logging truck all the way to the end of the field, (it is about a mile off the paved road) started logging off the hardwood and hemlock. This is the first time this area has ever been logged in my lifetime as it is just so far away from the house and a paved road. I got 18 cords of hardwood and 12 cords of hemlock out of here on about an acre, figuring the open space would allow the pine to regenerate. and then had the Maine Forest Service come in and evaluate the White Pine. They said it was no good commercially, big in size but low grade #3 pine. Since they pay NOTHING for #3 pine, I figured I will use it for my own use. I figure it will match my #3 pine ceilings nicely.

I am not sure how wide my wide pine flooring will be yet though. I would love to get 12" wide boards, BUT that means some of the upper logs will be too small. If I utilize my logs better and use the upper parts of the trees, I could go with 8 inch wide boards, but obviously they are a lot narrower. I am not sure if that will be too narrow for the look I am after. I'll ask the sawmill guys what they think and let them use their judgement.

My goal is to have the new flooring down before the new baby walks, so that is about a year away!
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:41 pm

Here are some pictures of my red oak floors. The kitchen is oil poly without staining. The other floors have golden oak then oil poly. The sample boards on top of the table is oil poly on the top, and water poly below along with the sealer for water poly the water poly doesn't add any color. Last is my first gas cook stove.
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:53 pm

Nice AA :)
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:34 pm

I am continuing on with my White Pine Flooring project!

Today the Mennonites that saw my logs into lumber came over and converted Pine, Spruce, Fir and Hemlock into boards. Only the White Pine will be used for my floor, but it is always nice to have wood for other projects on-hand and I think I have enough to build a porch and place inside my chicken coop. All in all, today produced 2800 board feet of lumber, at a cost of $603.66. Not bad considering you you might spend $603 at Lowes or Home Depot and come out with a lot less. The beauty is, other then the white pine which was specifically cut for this flooring project, the other wood was just junk wood that we had left over from road building jobs, cleaning up the edges of our fields, and some trees that blew down. About 1000 bf of wood that would have gone to waste!

And nothing sawn today will go to waste. Since they come to the farm to do the sawing, the boards will be used for flooring and various other projects, while the slab wood will be cut up and split into kindling for next years coal fires (and the year after, and probably the year after that too), and even the sawdust will be used for bedding for the sheep.

So it was a very productive day and another part of this project completed...a very big part!

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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:54 pm

Nice. Its great to see people using their own resources. Cant wait to see the pics of the floor when done.
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:10 pm

NoSmoke wrote:...... so this is a few pictures of our old rotary sawmill, a Lane Mill, built about 1901 and driven by a 1965 327 Chevy that came from an old dump truck we had. Yes it is cobbled together, but it sawed boards from 1980-2005 before the motor let go. ........

Rebuild that sucker & run it another 40 years! ;) 8-) Nice setup!! Love how you kept the dash gauge setup - that's mint!! What happens to the wood when you hit 120? :woot: toothy :punk:
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: dcrane On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:11 pm

what i wanna know is where are all you people getting these gosh damb tractors and how are you justifing affording them :( :mad: :( :mad:
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:10 pm

Nice to get the sawing going NS--bout time to start turning some dirt don't ya think:)
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Wed May 01, 2013 6:23 pm

I have already plowed and harrowed the garden this year Freetown Fred, but nothing for the dairy farm yet. We must spread manure first! But yes, you are right, we are itching to get Big Blue out and turn corn stubble into pulverized soil.

As for justifying a tractor DCrane; sheep do it for my little Kubota, and 1200 dairy cows do it for Big Blue! I added the second photo because wityhout something to compare it to, Big Blue's true size is hard to see. (It is 400 hp)

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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed May 01, 2013 6:32 pm

I'm not with you on that Richard. The water-based poly is junk IMHO. It tends to raise the grain and roughen the surface of the wood (some more than others) and makes it difficult to get a perfect finish on the floor without lots of work between coats sealers not withstanding. It is also not as durable as a good oil based poly. I've refinished a number of floors that were initially finished w/ water based and the finish just doesn't last long. much of the oil-based does tend to darken or yellow a bit more, but all woods will darken and yellow/brown/red over time regardless of finish - after a few years, the finish is insignificant compared to the natural aging of the wood especially if lots of sun is involved.
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Re: The Start of my White Pine Flooring

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Wed May 01, 2013 6:45 pm

Berlin wrote:I'm not with you on that Richard. The water-based poly is junk IMHO. It tends to raise the grain and roughen the surface of the wood (some more than others) and makes it difficult to get a perfect finish on the floor without lots of work between coats sealers not withstanding. It is also not as durable as a good oil based poly. I've refinished a number of floors that were initially finished w/ water based and the finish just doesn't last long. much of the oil-based does tend to darken or yellow a bit more, but all woods will darken and yellow/brown/red over time regardless of finish - after a few years, the finish is insignificant compared to the natural aging of the wood especially if lots of sun is involved.


Sorry But I have done all the flooring in my house with water based and yes it wears quicker but a light sanding and new coat and the floors look like new again. Just remodeled the downstairs of my house and refinished the floors. It was a breeze, the floors look amazing. As far as raising the grain, I pit down 4 coats of finish after the third coat I hit the floors with a drywall sanding pole with 220 grit pad. Floors are like glass. Just my point of view. Oh yeah I did it all in one day not 4!
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