New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: MudFlapLip On: Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:39 pm

The new DS1600WH was delivered and installed Friday at 5:30 by Jim Cerase stoves out of Hunlock Creek, Pa. At 560# it took 4 of us and a hand truck to get it in the basement through a set of Bilco doors. I don't think it would've been possible to do it with less than 4 men but due to limited space in the doorway, you couldn't do it with more than 4. Thankfully, our nuts were still in tact afterwards though toothy . I'm very impressed with the build and amount of heat this thing produces. As expected, the bi metal regulator needs periodic adjustments until broken in I'm learning. I didn't have a chance to get a MPD installed but after shutdown and spring cleanout, I may have one installed for next year. I guess I wanna see how it runs without one first. I'm also wondering if it might interfere with the bi-metal controls. For example if I dampen it on a windy day, will the regulator make adjustments on its own that contradict with the dampened pipe? I'm not sure about that yet. Sometimes things operate better in a "Keep it Simple" process I think.
Once I fired it up, my smoke alarms let me know they were still working. It took about 3 hours to clean the basement of the curing paint (I think that's what the process is) to where I could shut the windows and doors in the cellar. I put the bi metal thermostat on 2.5 (maxes out at 5) and it was 76 in the house yesterday. That was a little to much for me so I slowly began backing it down throughout the day. I'm at a steady 72 now and the dial is at 2. I couldn't imagine this stove at 4!! :punk: I've included a couple pics of the 1600 installed and burning. I also included a picture of my coal bin. It's made of precast foundation that juts out into a 4X4X9 bilco covered bin. I can fit roughly 4 ton in it give or take. The driver backs up to the doors, I open them and he shoots in 4 ton. I'm heating 3500 sq. ft. (1750 in the basement, 1750 first floor) and couldn't be happier. Thanks to all the members and MarkV for your help!! Stay warm.
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MudFlapLip
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: D.S. Machine Stoves, DS1600WH Circulator
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: Rex On: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:03 pm

fantastic!! Like all the open space you have. We have really enjoyed our 1500 now for 3yrs!! Keep us updated on your experience.
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Stove/Furnace Make: D.S. Machine
Stove/Furnace Model: Circulator 1500

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: MudFlapLip On: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:24 pm

Rex wrote:fantastic!! Like all the open space you have. We have really enjoyed our 1500 now for 3yrs!! Keep us updated on your experience.



Will do sir! Not that I'm wishing cold weather on anyone................but I would really like to see what this thing can do when it gets gnarly out and the wind is crackin. I guess it'll idle away now and have to sit in hiding until next winter to find out :P
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Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: LDPosse On: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:29 pm

Awesome!!! You're going to love the DS! They truly make hand fired coal heating a breeze!
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Stove/Furnace Make: DS Machine
Stove/Furnace Model: DS1500, Kozy King 100

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: MudFlapLip On: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:56 pm

LDPosse wrote:Awesome!!! You're going to love the DS! They truly make hand fired coal heating a breeze!


I switched out stoves on Friday going from a Harman Mark II to the DS. So when I tended it for the first time yesterday, I said out loud to myself "I should've done this a long time ago." It was beyond easy. Shook it down, reloaded the hopper and walked away. It took me less than 3 minutes.
MudFlapLip
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: D.S. Machine Stoves, DS1600WH Circulator
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:59 pm

MudFlapLip wrote:
LDPosse wrote:Awesome!!! You're going to love the DS! They truly make hand fired coal heating a breeze!


I switched out stoves on Friday going from a Harman Mark II to the DS. So when I tended it for the first time yesterday, I said out loud to myself "I should've done this a long time ago." It was beyond easy. Shook it down, reloaded the hopper and walked away. It took me less than 3 minutes.


To me the DS Circulators always look nice.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (It has been fixed!)

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: ridgeracing On: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:52 pm

Congrats!! If your burning that hot at 2 1/2 on knob control, you may want to lengthen chain 1 link so that you can burn at lower settings during warmer weather. At #2 on my stove its about 250deg. and at #5 I am at 600deg. Dont want to run stove past 600deg. if possible. Good luck with srove,love mine!!
ridgeracing
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine Stove
Stove/Furnace Make: D.S Machine
Stove/Furnace Model: DS1600WH

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: MarkV On: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:42 pm

That looks sweet, my friend!!! Well done. Like your bin too!

That couldn't have been fun getting down the steps.

How did you light it up? Kindling? Charcoal?
MarkV
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine DS-1500WH
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak bulk nut

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:01 pm

MudFlapLip wrote:....... I said out loud to myself "I should've done this a long time ago."........


Hind sight is 20/20, said the same about heating with coal period! Nice stove and welcome too---happily spending money to stay warm :lol:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: Storm On: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:16 am

Nice looking stove, but I still think with a barometric damper and closing off rooms that are not being used the Harman 2 would be just fine on the main floor. How long do you think the payback will be after spending the $ on this stove? Me and others on this forum would like to know. George
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark 1& 111
Baseburners & Antiques: Coal Kitchen heater
Coal Size/Type: Nut & stove
Stove/Furnace Make: Vermont Cast. Vig. '79 w/coal

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: LDPosse On: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:32 am

The DS stoves are very affordable, less expensive than most other stoves on the market. Mine was $1478 out the door.
LDPosse
 
Stove/Furnace Make: DS Machine
Stove/Furnace Model: DS1500, Kozy King 100

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: MudFlapLip On: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:29 am

MarkV wrote:That looks sweet, my friend!!! Well done. Like your bin too!

That couldn't have been fun getting down the steps.

How did you light it up? Kindling? Charcoal?


Trust me it wasn't fun getting it down the steps at all lol. I used both kindling and charcoal. I had it blazing in 15 minutes.
MudFlapLip
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: D.S. Machine Stoves, DS1600WH Circulator
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: hcarlow On: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:52 am

That is a great looking stove , I almost bought one of those instead of a boiler . My only concern was getting the heat to go upstairs , wasn't sure it would go up the cellars stairs without making holes in the floor for cold air returns etc. .
hcarlow
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL 110

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: MudFlapLip On: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:42 pm

ridgeracing wrote:Congrats!! If your burning that hot at 2 1/2 on knob control, you may want to lengthen chain 1 link so that you can burn at lower settings during warmer weather. At #2 on my stove its about 250deg. and at #5 I am at 600deg. Dont want to run stove past 600deg. if possible. Good luck with srove,love mine!!


Yeah I've been working around the chain a little as it adjusts so I can find the best spot for it.
MudFlapLip
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: D.S. Machine Stoves, DS1600WH Circulator
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: New DS Machine 1600 installed with pics

PostBy: MudFlapLip On: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:00 pm

Storm wrote:Nice looking stove, but I still think with a barometric damper and closing off rooms that are not being used the Harman 2 would be just fine on the main floor. How long do you think the payback will be after spending the $ on this stove? Me and others on this forum would like to know. George



The Mark II was very effective at keeping the house warm regardless if the doors are opened or closed. If the rooms weren't being used, the doors to that room were closed.......that's not my problem. I would even go so far to say that if the stove was installed in the first floor of my house instead of the basement, I would've maybe had a chance. I can't speculate whether or not a barometric damper could have made a significant enough impact on burn time but I very highly doubt it. There are some that swear by them and others that hate them. The same goes for a MPD. Aside from the fact I was instructed by other Harman dealers not to install one, maybe I was given bad advice by the dealers I spoke to. I honestly don't know. I told the Harman dealer what stove I had and even HE said it was way too small for my house. I haven't received any PM's or posts from any other members regarding why I didn't have a baro on the Mark II. I have yet to read a post where a new member asks for advice from other members and they recommend he get a smaller stove than they know he truly needs.........but just go ahead and throw a barometric damper on it and that'll work. If I knew of this forum prior to getting the Mark II I would have NEVER bought it: barometric damper installed or not. And I also feel comfortable saying that NO ONE would've recommended a Mark II for my house. A Mark III, yes that would be a recommended stove along with the other competitive stoves in its class/BTU rating.

I don't want to beat a dead horse here but I thought my 1995 Dodge Neon reference from a previous thread cleared that up but apparently not. I'm sorry man but I don't know any other way to explain it to you that I bought an undersized stove and no matter how you look at it, that's the bottom line. A barometric damper is not a miracle worker, is not the 8th wonder of the world and cannot feed starving children in Ethiopia. A barometric damper, although effective in certain applications, can only do so much (again, WITHIN THE LIMITATIONS OF THAT PARTICULAR STOVE) to help solve burn time. Your living space is smaller than mine but yet you're heating it with a Mark III and expecting me to have the same results as you do with a bigger house, a smaller stove and a baro. Your stove works well for your application and again you're operating it within the limitations and expectations of it. I'm operating a Mark II way beyond the limitations and/or expectations of it; barometric damper or not. If you and I swapped stoves for the winter, would you be willing to bet the warmth that your Mark III provides against a -5* windy day, a barometric damper and a Mark II.............. unmodified for 12 hours? I think not. Unless you like coming home to a 55* house. Every ounce of heat in my house is generated from coal. I do have secondary but I refuse to use it.

At this point the discussion as to why I didn't or don't have a baro in my Mark II is pointless because that stove is no longer in service. The DS is already hooked up and running. "How long do you think the payback will be after spending the $ on this stove? Me and others on this forum would like to know." I'm not sure what "others" you mean. I haven't received any messages regarding this. As long as I'm not burning oil, I could really care less. I paid less than $1900 for the DS1600 and that's after taxes, an extra ash pan, delivery and install. Call it what you want, I call it a wise investment. If you think about it, the stove IS the return on my investment. What works for one guy may not always work for the next.
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