Political Opinions

Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:12 am

Do you think either of the Democratic canidates who ran against GB would have done any different?? There is no Democratic or Republican agenda. There used to be, but not anymore..

I truely believe that without the actions taken by GBush we would have been attacked again, as much as I hate TSA, [I have to deal with them daily in my job] they serve a function. There is no way that the terrorists would have put as many of their 'volunteers' into our country unless they planned some additional attacks.

Has Bush messed up the economy?? No, the 'idiot in chief' is not to blame for everything, don't believe everything you read in the liberal press, your blood pressure will skyrocket and you will foam at the mouth. The reason that we were attacked is that Clinton was more intrested in his populariity rating than doing anything decisive.. He watched Sunday football while he was begged by his military to make a decision to get Bin Ladin. So instead we get attacked and afganistan.

What I laugh about with everyone of these types of opinion battles I've read for the last 30+ years is that the president is always blamed for any and all that happens that is bad. But the next guy in office gets the applause for the positive effects of his predessor' policies when they finally have an effect on the economy, or whatever.

The president is nothing but a big log floating on the waters with a huge tidal wave of activity behind him, when the tidal wave comes to shore, he is helpless to do very much to change the outcome of the wave..

That said, I fear that our country is in for a long decline. What has made our country great was our abundant natural resouces, which we squandered in horrific quantities to fight wars... look at the iron, copper, aluminum, and the coal and oil used to fight the wars of the last century... Just the materials from the war 'efforts' alone would make any single country in the world have a top-ten economy in today's world. Waste, nothing but waste.

Here is what really scares me::

Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare the pants off you!

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together."
Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common Language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" --From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America. deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream.

If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this on just as I did for you. NOTHING is going to happen if you don't
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Pretty scary, this is liberal agenda... and it is killing our country.

Greg L
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:17 am

Another very scary quote:

THE WAR

Please take the time to read the attached essay by Dr. Chong. It is without a doubt the most articulate and convincing writing I have read regarding the War in Iraq. If you have any doubts please open your mind to his essay and give a fair evaluation.

I had no idea who Dr. Chong is or the source of these thoughts... so when
I received them, I almost deleted them - as well-written as they are. But
then I did a "Google search" on the Doctor and found him to be a retired
Air Force Surgeon of all things and past Commander of Wilford Hall
Medical Center in San Antonio. So he is real, is connected to Veterans
affairs in California, and these are his thoughts. They are worth reading
and thinking about!(the same Google search will direct you to some of his
other thought-provoking writings.)

Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA. A different spin on Iraq war.

This WAR is for REAL! Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

Tuesday, July 12, 2005
To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country
is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it,
that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who
realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United States
is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the
following attacks on us:

* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;
* Pentagon 2001.

(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist
attacks worldwide).

2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened
during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and
Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were
no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors,
Presidents Ford or Carter.

3. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under
the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see

http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm
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)

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as
the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom
heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept
the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone
who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world
- German, Christian or any others.

Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill
all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else.
The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection
to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may
be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what
they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing
all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do
if the choice was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this
conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly
recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1. Can we lose this war?

2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our
business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.

What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us
dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have
produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years.
The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and
submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of
reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and
cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will
be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its
troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their
train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain
to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they
might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished
too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However,
it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and
fading fast!

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us,
if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how
could anyone else?

The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
completely committed to winning, at any cost We better know it too and
be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until
we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of
our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100%
effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war?

Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is,
defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose,
and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided,
there is no way that we can win!

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the
life and death seriousness of this situation.

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow
profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This
is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the
civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to
lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all
of them permanently.

And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and
in fact added many more since then.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political
Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a
clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them
out of your head.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration
that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add
that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize
what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the
enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it
does great damage to our cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies
best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the
treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our
military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago
were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands,
cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just
for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same
type of enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging
their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.

And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing
videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American
prisoners they held.

Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days
have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary
of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and
understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and
death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing
can.

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue
makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious
to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can
survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our
politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely
oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim
terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.

Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That
translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State, but
throughout the world.

We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge
is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that
we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds
of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our
back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!

We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive,
and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of
the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or
any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that
contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or
we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the
Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books
to be written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase
the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little,
on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among
themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue
to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that
sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically
correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to
themselves, once they are in power.

They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then
start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the
masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the
"peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election,
the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation
we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are
talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but
our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world.

Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that include
the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!

Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our
"leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find
fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks
through this, that we must UNITE!

If you would like to see who this fellow is go to this Air Force web
sight and look him up.

http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C
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MAJOR GENERAL (DR.) VERNON CHONG







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Retired Nov. 1, 1994.

Major General (Dr.) Vernon Chong is the command surgeon, Headquarters U.S. European Command, Stuttgart, Germany. He advises the commander in chief on all medical matters and health issues that may affect the readiness of military forces in the command. He is responsible for establishing policies for the employment of theater medical resources during crisis, contingency and humanitarian relief operations. Also, he coordinates and integrates medical support activities and develops theater medical plans.

The general entered the Air Force in October 1963 following the completion of a residency in general surgery. He was certified by the American Board of Surgery in April 1964. He has commanded three Air Force medical centers, served as command surgeon of two major air commands, and was commander of the Joint Military Medical Command, San Antonio. The general is a chief flight surgeon, and was a surgeon/flight surgeon member of the DOD launch site recovery team for 15 space launches during the Apollo, Skylab and Apollo-Soyuz programs.

EDUCATION
1955 Bachelor of arts degree in basic medical sciences, Stanford University
1958 Doctor of medicine, Stanford University School of Medicine
1963 Board qualification in general surgery, General Hospital of Fresno County

ASSIGNMENTS
1 October 1963 - June 1965, staff general surgeon and chief of general surgery service, USAF Hospital Scott, Scott Air Force Base, Ill.
2. June 1965 - June 1968, staff general surgeon, later director of intern and resident education, USAF Hospital Tachikawa, Tachikawa Air Base, Japan
3. June 1968 - June 1970, staff general surgeon and instructor in general surgery residency, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis Air Force Base, Calif.
4. June 1970 - June 1974, staff general surgeon, chairman department of surgery, and director of hospital services, USAF Academy Hospital, US. Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colo.
5. June 1974 - August 1976, staff general surgeon, director of hospital services, and deputy commander, USAF Regional Hospital March, March Air Force Base, Calif.
6. September 1976 - October 1978, staff general surgeon, director of hospital services, and deputy commander, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis Air Force Base, Calif.
7. October 1978 - November 1981, commander, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis Air Force Base, Calif.
8. November 1981 - March 1985, commander, Malcolm Grow USAF Medical Center, Andrews Air Force Base, Md.
9. March 1985 - February 1987, command surgeon, Headquarters Military Airlift Command, Scott Air Force Base, Calif.
10. February 1987 - May 1990, commander, Wilford Hall USAF Medical Center, Lackland Air Force Base, Texas
11. May 1990 - August 1991, command surgeon, Headquarters Air Training Command, and commander, Joint Military Medical Command, Randolph Air Force Base, Texas
12. August 1991 - present, command surgeon, Headquarters U.S. European Command, Stuttgart, Germany

FLIGHT INFORMATION
Rating: Chief flight surgeon
Flight hours: More than 1,600
Aircraft flown: C-141, KC-135, C-130, T-29, C-5, T-39, C-21, C-12, C-9A, T-33, T-38, H-53, H-3, UH-1

MAJOR AWARDS AND DECORATIONS
Distinguished Service Medal
Legion of Merit with oak leaf cluster
Meritorious Service Medal
Air Force Commendation Medal
National Defense Service Medal
Vietnam Service Medal
Order of Merit-Brazil
Gold Cross of Honor-Germany

OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS
Order of the Sword - bestowed by enlisted personnel of Air Training Command
Clinical professor of surgery, University of Texas Health Science Center-San Antonio
Ira C. Eaker fellow - Air Force Association, Aerospace Education Foundation
Board of Governors, American College of Surgeons
Board of Regents, National Library of Medicine
Board of Regents, adviser, Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences
Board of Trustees, Air Force Village Foundation
Board of Directors, Alamo Chapter, American Red Cross, San Antonio
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:24 am

Greg, I agree 100%.
Also, for those who don't remember their American History classes, the President is not omnipowerful.
The series of checks and balances the founding fathers put in place limits his power to avoid a dictatorship or a kingdom. Anything the President wants to put into law or enact must be approved by Congress and visa-versa.
I find it humorous when I hear people blaming the President for everything that happens in this country that displeases them. They obviously are ignorant to one of the basic laws of this country. My reply to them is "Have you ever read the Constitution?" Then I'll ask them to tell me what the Bill Of Rights is.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:30 am

lincolnmania wrote:it is proven that the bush family had ties with the nazis......so we have had bush's in office on and off since 1980......starting to agree with my father that says "the only good republican is a dead republican"


Lincoln, could you qualify the nazi statement please-I'd like to read the proof. Thanks.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:31 am

Richard S. wrote:
Richard S. wrote:I'll make a prediction Giuliani wins election.


you know its not against the law to go against the admin... I'm outa here, took ten minutes to type this after 5 rum and cokes. :P Just glad there is spellckeck. :D


Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Bad Admin!!! :wine:
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Ed.A On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:16 pm

Nice post Devil....if you subcribe to the Left wing fringe like Daily Kos, of course I'm sure you did a fine cut and paste from them or Democratic Underground. :roll: Haliburton ohhhh, VP Cheney divested his intrests long ago.....didn't stop your communist hero Micheal Moore from buying stocks in Haliturton did it? Nooooo, do as I say not as I do. Go tell Chavez how much you wish he was YOUR president.

Get off the Torture routine, we did worse than Water Board for years under Democratic leasdership as well so stop with the drama. Jeeze Jane Harman "Dem" and Rockefeller "Dem" were asking if Water Boarding was TOUGH enough! It's all Politics and Grand standing now, it worked.....it saved countless lives....leave it alone. Our enemies lop off heads, set people on fire and all kinds of brutal acts. HELL they do it to their OWN for gods sake..I wonder if which side some people are on.

I don't think it was correct to go into IRAQ, we were hoodwinked by Left over Clinton Intel, and people Left to stay on from Clinton to serve this Admin (George Tenet)...big mistake.

GW broke a cardnal rule, pre-emptive strikes and made it into policy....WRONG. We stayed out of WWI until our shipping and people were attacked, We stayed out of WWII until after we were Bombed by JApan. We allowed Millions OF People to be slaughtered by the NAZI's and we allowed the Japanese to Slaughter almost a milllion Chinese in Nanking, this genocide didn't involve us and we stayed out.

Afganistan was where we belonged and do belong, BUT, we should have Nuked the PLACE and turn it into a glass factory, then clean up afterwards.

Now that we are in IRAQ, I support the efforts and want to to see the continued success that is happening, our Men and Women deserve this victory.

IMO...Isolationist Policy served this country well and we should return to that Policy. We should cut off all AID to any country that did not support us, use the Billions we would save to reinvest in our own country.

Kick the UN out of country, it's corrupt beyond hope.

Devil..and Democratic friends, I would hope you realize you were born in a Capitalist society, if you the have will, you can become Rich beyond rich and enjoy everthing you worked for. People like GATES turn from a gargage shop into the worlds richest man...ONLY with Capitalism can you have this. The RICH you complain about are the ones HIRING people....WHAT is WRONG with that? My boss is wicked rich.....it's his company! He built it.....he deserves to enjoy his wealth...HE EARNED IT, he pays me, he gives my a source of income, and dammit I'm grateful.

Remember everytime you see Bill or Hillary crying about how much they get to keep and how GUILTY they feel, ask them why they keep OFFSHORE accounts to shelter Millions? Ask John Edwards why he complains about 2 Americas and yet he gets $400 haircuts and builds a 27000 SQ FOOT Mansion?
Ask if any of them sign on the bottom of their TAX form to give away Millions back to the Government...they don't, just like Kerry, the Talk the Talk but don't Walk the Walk. Only Obama can say he's not part of this ELITEIST crowd.

The torch has offically passed hands, the Democrats are now the party of the RICH, so think about that the next time you spew your venom.

I think we are all sick of the Clintons, I'm going to predict either Obama wins or possibly Fred Thompson sneaks in and gets the nod, just my thoughts...that and $3.00 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Sigh.....

Merry Christmas to ALL .
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: daveuz On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:40 pm

A quote from the above post......"Afganistan was where we belonged and do belong, BUT, we should have Nuked the PLACE and turn it into a glass factory, then clean up afterwards." End quote. Have you really thought about ALL that goes with "nuking" ??? I believe that the next time one of those is used as a weapon it will be the end of the world as we know it and the beginning of what you find as the defination of hell.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Ed.A On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:50 pm

daveuz wrote:A quote from the above post......"Afganistan was where we belonged and do belong, BUT, we should have Nuked the PLACE and turn it into a glass factory, then clean up afterwards." End quote. Have you really thought about ALL that goes with "nuking" ??? I believe that the next time one of those is used as a weapon it will be the end of the world as we know it and the beginning of what you find as the defination of hell.


They don't make a facetious emoticon :D, if that's the only thing you found to complain about in my rant, then I'll take it as a compliment.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: bksaun On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:54 pm

Don't you guy's have anything better to do on Christmas Day?

Go have a drink, or two and relax.....rest your mind, enjoy the coal heat!

BK
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:00 pm

I'm glad I got everyone's juices going...Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:17 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:Greg, I agree 100%.
Also, for those who don't remember their American History classes, the President is not omnipowerful.
The series of checks and balances the founding fathers put in place limits his power to avoid a dictatorship or a kingdom. Anything the President wants to put into law or enact must be approved by Congress and visa-versa.
I find it humorous when I hear people blaming the President for everything that happens in this country that displeases them. They obviously are ignorant to one of the basic laws of this country. My reply to them is "Have you ever read the Constitution?" Then I'll ask them to tell me what the Bill Of Rights is.


John, I disagree........It is GW Bush who doesn't remember his American History classes.(probably drunk at the time) GW has no checks or balances on him. He has managed to sidestep most of the Congresional checks by:
1. Recess appointment- designed to bypass the Senate's constituional role in making crucial appointments.
2. Signing Stamements (his defacto line-item veto)
3. Lying to Congress
4. ordering his employees to either just ignore Congressional subpeanas (2 emplyees are now facing posible Contempt of Congress sitations) or just plain lie under oath. (Perjury)
5. Obstruction of Justice (the facts will come out that GW had a significant hand in ordering the destruction of the CIA interrogation tapes..that were under court & congressional order to disclose at the time of their destruction)
GW knows (& cares) nothing of the Constitution that he took a solemn oath to protect & defend. He is, in his mind, above the laws of us mere mortal men! (As he has said all his life...."Do you know who my father is!?@!?
Problem is, we middle class Americans have noone on our side! The Democrats in Congress have no guts to do anything but stand on the sidelines & impotently wring their hands. That aside, as far as President in 2008, my man is Joe Biden. An intelligent, well tested man with a real (& sorely missed) moral compass! Unlike GW & his phony cronies, he not only talks the talk but walks the walk.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Matthaus On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:53 pm

The truth doesn't not need anyone to defend it, current events will continue to be distorted by historians and we will all blissfully use media messages funded by the special interests to elect another president so we can all complain about what she is doing. :D

Happy Happy and Merry Merry. :lol:
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:33 pm

Ed.A wrote:Nice post Devil....if you subcribe to the Left wing fringe like Daily Kos, of course I'm sure you did a fine cut and paste from them or Democratic Underground. :roll: Haliburton ohhhh, VP Cheney divested his intrests long ago.....didn't stop your communist hero Micheal Moore from buying stocks in Haliturton did it? Nooooo, do as I say not as I do. Go tell Chavez how much you wish he was YOUR president.

Get off the Torture routine, we did worse than Water Board for years under Democratic leasdership as well so stop with the drama. Jeeze Jane Harman "Dem" and Rockefeller "Dem" were asking if Water Boarding was TOUGH enough! It's all Politics and Grand standing now, it worked.....it saved countless lives....leave it alone. Our enemies lop off heads, set people on fire and all kinds of brutal acts. HELL they do it to their OWN for gods sake..I wonder if which side some people are on.

I don't think it was correct to go into IRAQ, we were hoodwinked by Left over Clinton Intel, and people Left to stay on from Clinton to serve this Admin (George Tenet)...big mistake.

GW broke a cardnal rule, pre-emptive strikes and made it into policy....WRONG. We stayed out of WWI until our shipping and people were attacked, We stayed out of WWII until after we were Bombed by JApan. We allowed Millions OF People to be slaughtered by the NAZI's and we allowed the Japanese to Slaughter almost a milllion Chinese in Nanking, this genocide didn't involve us and we stayed out.

Afganistan was where we belonged and do belong, BUT, we should have Nuked the PLACE and turn it into a glass factory, then clean up afterwards.

Now that we are in IRAQ, I support the efforts and want to to see the continued success that is happening, our Men and Women deserve this victory.

IMO...Isolationist Policy served this country well and we should return to that Policy. We should cut off all AID to any country that did not support us, use the Billions we would save to reinvest in our own country.

Kick the UN out of country, it's corrupt beyond hope.

Devil..and Democratic friends, I would hope you realize you were born in a Capitalist society, if you the have will, you can become Rich beyond rich and enjoy everthing you worked for. People like GATES turn from a gargage shop into the worlds richest man...ONLY with Capitalism can you have this. The RICH you complain about are the ones HIRING people....WHAT is WRONG with that? My boss is wicked rich.....it's his company! He built it.....he deserves to enjoy his wealth...HE EARNED IT, he pays me, he gives my a source of income, and dammit I'm grateful.

Remember everytime you see Bill or Hillary crying about how much they get to keep and how GUILTY they feel, ask them why they keep OFFSHORE accounts to shelter Millions? Ask John Edwards why he complains about 2 Americas and yet he gets $400 haircuts and builds a 27000 SQ FOOT Mansion?
Ask if any of them sign on the bottom of their TAX form to give away Millions back to the Government...they don't, just like Kerry, the Talk the Talk but don't Walk the Walk. Only Obama can say he's not part of this ELITEIST crowd.

The torch has offically passed hands, the Democrats are now the party of the RICH, so think about that the next time you spew your venom.

I think we are all sick of the Clintons, I'm going to predict either Obama wins or possibly Fred Thompson sneaks in and gets the nod, just my thoughts...that and $3.00 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Sigh.....

Merry Christmas to ALL .


Ed, no cut & paste job here, Michael Moore is not my hero & I was hoping this thread wouldn't sink into an elementary school pissing match. Your post was very heroic talk....But do you just talk (like most of the Chicken-Hawks in the Bush admin) or have you ever 'Walked The Walk?"
Perhaps we should disclose a few Bona-Fides:
I spent most of my like working undercover & kicking down doors as a Special Agent in the DEA, so I have risked my life many times for this country which I love.
What risks have you taken for your country?
Have you ever served your country in the military (in a war zone) or risked your life in any police work?
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: av8r On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:43 pm

Matthaus wrote:The truth doesn't not need anyone to defend it, current events will continue to be distorted by historians and we will all blissfully use media messages funded by the special interests to elect another president so we can all complain about what she is doing. :D

Happy Happy and Merry Merry. :lol:


OMG....that is one funny pic, Matt....LOL
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Ed.A On: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:29 am

Devil5052 wrote:I was hoping this thread wouldn't sink into an elementary school pissing match?

And yet that's exactly what you just did... typical Liberal hypocrite :D

Trying to belittle me and anyother person who hasn't served as a LEO or Military into not having a right to say how they feel if it is diametrically opposed to you Marxist views. So in your so-called "Democracy" only you should be able to have an opinion. RIGHT? Thanks I'll try to keep that in mind the next time you ask a question.
I'll bet only you should be able to bear arms as well... how very American of you.

Devil THANK-YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE..and I do mean that. I find it interesting that all I said was I supported our troops and you call that being "HAWKish", funny way of loooking at things.


I Promise not to vote, I promise not to speak out against your Socialist propaganda.
But, ONLY if Military personel are allowed to vote and no one else in this country. That would make me happiest man in the world.
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