Political Opinions

LOL.....Since I cant beat the wife, I'll let out a few more frustrations on you all!

1. Massachusetts was the ONLY state that had the good sense not to vote for the disgraced Richard M. Nixon. (A criminal who would have been jailed but for the pardon of Jerry Ford...which cost him the election to Carter..an unknown peanut farmer)
2. How much did (& do)Ted Kennedy's personal problems affect the average American voter as compared to the billions of your tax dollars, the thousands of dead American GI's, the loss of your home's value & our jobs, inabliity to gas up ours cars, heat our home (except for all of us on this forum!), & so on that this President has cost us all?

Here's an interplay that never took place on 9/11:

Secret Service:
"Mr. President, we must get you to a safe underground bunker until we are sure these attacks are over!"

President Bush:
"I appreciate that your job is to protect the life of your President but, let me remind you that you can only suggest things that I should do, you can't issue orders to me. I am the President & my country is under attack! The American people expect & have a right to see their President firmly in control of this government at just such times as this,..... Not cowering in a hole in the ground somewhere!" I am ordering you to start the engines of Air Force One & fly me back to Washington right now or I will hail a cab & be driven there! If you want to stop me you will have to shoot me right here!"

Anyone remember that conversation?....I sure don't

I don't think immediately going to Washington would have been great idea under the circumstances, having him stand on the steps of the White House and end up dead wouldn't be good thing. However the time between the attacks and the time he finally made an appearance were far too long IMO. At the very least he should of had a press conference shortly after wherever it may have been held. Lets keep in mind that the man had an enormous amount of information to absorb and some monumental decisions to make.

2. How much did (& do)Ted Kennedy's personal problems affect the average American voter as compared to the billions of your tax dollars, the thousands of dead American GI's, the loss of your home's value & our jobs, inabliity to gas up ours cars, heat our home (except for all of us on this forum!), & so on that this President has cost us all?

That's where your argument fails every time. Congress VOTED to approve of going to War. The President is not a Dictator as you have us believe. Pelosi claimed a MANDATE was made at the mid-term election, they were going throw up the White Flag and pull us out, they were going solve the Health care issues, they were going to take the Country back.
Except it didn't happen, they are continuing to fund the troops (and rightly so) they have given GW everything he's asked for. That is why the Liberals are fustrated, GW is seen as a bumbling bafoon....yet he's walking all over them..it's a laugh a minute. You cry about BUSH but it's Congress who impliments these, once you figure out how it works it's just funny.

This where it gets really funny, ever hear of Warren Buffet? You know the 2nd richest man in the country, out there complaining about tax in equity between the rich and the working class. He's out there saying his secretary pays more income taxes than he, and he likes to rattle on about while campaigning with Hillary. The problem is that he gets no salary, he pays no income taxes on his billions at the same rate as you or I, he pays a measly 15% on his capital gains from his Hedge funds and investments....WHAT A DEAL!
Dirty Harry Reid was supposed to bring up a vote on changing the Tax loop holes that allow this to happen. Oh my, the majority of Hedge fund managers are big contributers to the DNC so that just won't do, the well coffied would have to pay at new rate based on their actual net worth at 35% 40% or more depending on their actual bracket. Can you imagine Bill Gates or Warren paying at that rate? Nope that'll never happen.
Dirty Harry proceeded to shelve the vote, Surprise! Surpise!

BTW Devil, Teddy has directly influenced Renewable Energy being utilized for the Mass. Power Grid thus lowering or stablizing energy costs to the citizens. He fought the wind fields off of the coast becuase he didn't want to see it, pathetic hypocrite that he is.
Typical Liberal Elitest mind set, "Do as I say not as I Do".

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How much did (& do)Ted Kennedy's personal problems affect the average American voter as compared to the billions of your tax dollars, the thousands of dead American GI's, the loss of your home's value & our jobs, inabliity to gas up ours cars, heat our home (except for all of us on this forum!), & so on that this President has cost us all?

Ask the Kopecne family how much affect Teddy's personal problems had on them!
When I read liberal rants like yours, it's clear to me that you have not yet realized the seriousness of our war with radical islamic jihadists. And probably nothing I or anyone else can say will open your leftist eyes until there are mushroom clouds over head. These people mean to KILL us. I don't agree with everything Bush has done in the conduct of this war. I would have stayed on the hunt in Afganistan for Osama and followed him right into Pakistan if I had to. By the way, we would have had Osama if another great democratic senator could have kept classified information classified. We were zeroing in on Osama through the use of his sat-phone until Patrick "leaky" Leahy bragged to reporters about it. He should be in prison too for that breach.
Bush will be judged by history and I think he will be judged favorably for most of his actions. You don't hear as much in the media now about Iraq because things have turned there and are going much better overall. Still a long way to go no doubt but even Murtha had to admit the surge has worked.
If earlier presidents had reacted more forcefully when we were first attacked, including the sainted slick willy, maybe things would be different. He was too busy dealing with bimbo eruptions to react when we were attacked. Oh wait, I forget, he bombed an aspirin factory, had some million dollar a piece cruise missles lobbed in the middle of the desert and declined an invitation from Somolia to take Osama.
And yes, I was in the military. I still fire expert with an AR-15 and would love the opportunity to shoot some jihadists but they won't take an old fart like me.

Don't have time to respond to all your points right now Ed but to this...."Pelosi claimed a MANDATE was made at the mid-term election, they were going throw up the White Flag and pull us out,"........& to all the people screaming "cut & run" etc. let me remind you......The War is over & we won!!
Saddam Hussein is out of office & dead & Iraq has a freely elected government!!

Why are we still there & exactly who are we fighting???

And yes, I was in the military. I still fire expert with an AR-15 and would love the opportunity to shoot some jihadists but they won't take an old fart like me.

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Don't be so sure...my buddy, who is either 47 or 48, was just called up to go to Fallujah till October (6 months boots on the ground supposedly). He's a ex-marine, turned Navy Seabee reservist. He's on his way to Gulfport till March when he'll head to Iraq. He's being deployed, outside the wire with a MEF. While Fallujah has calmed down some, it's still full of bad dudes that want to kill Americans.
I pray every day for these men and women. Got a brother in law over there and now another buddy.

coalkirk wrote:

Devil5052 wrote:How much did (& do)Ted Kennedy's personal problems affect the average American voter as compared to the billions of your tax dollars, the thousands of dead American GI's, the loss of your home's value & our jobs, inabliity to gas up ours cars, heat our home (except for all of us on this forum!), & so on that this President has cost us all?

Ask the Kopecne family how much affect Teddy's personal problems had on them!
When I read liberal rants like yours, it's clear to me that you have not yet realized the seriousness of our war with radical islamic jihadists. And probably nothing I or anyone else can say will open your leftist eyes until there are mushroom clouds over head. These people mean to KILL us. I don't agree with everything Bush has done in the conduct of this war. I would have stayed on the hunt in Afganistan for Osama and followed him right into Pakistan if I had to. By the way, we would have had Osama if another great democratic senator could have kept classified information classified. We were zeroing in on Osama through the use of his sat-phone until Patrick "leaky" Leahy bragged to reporters about it. He should be in prison too for that breach.
Bush will be judged by history and I think he will be judged favorably for most of his actions. You don't hear as much in the media now about Iraq because things have turned there and are going much better overall. Still a long way to go no doubt but even Murtha had to admit the surge has worked.
If earlier presidents had reacted more forcefully when we were first attacked, including the sainted slick willy, maybe things would be different. He was too busy dealing with bimbo eruptions to react when we were attacked. Oh wait, I forget, he bombed an aspirin factory, had some million dollar a piece cruise missles lobbed in the middle of the desert and declined an invitation from Somolia to take Osama.
And yes, I was in the military. I still fire expert with an AR-15 and would love the opportunity to shoot some jihadists but they won't take an old fart like me.

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......"it's clear to me that you have not yet realized the seriousness of our war with radical islamic jihadists. And probably nothing I or anyone else can say will open your leftist eyes until there are mushroom clouds over head....."
Iraq did not attack us on 9/11...All but one of the hijackers on 9/11 were from this man's country

We are all entitled to our own opinions but we are not entitled to our own facts!

Richard S. wrote:I don't think immediately going to Washington would have been great idea under the circumstances, having him stand on the steps of the White House and end up dead wouldn't be good thing. However the time between the attacks and the time he finally made an appearance were far too long IMO. At the very least he should of had a press conference shortly after wherever it may have been held. Lets keep in mind that the man had an enormous amount of information to absorb and some monumental decisions to make.

..."I don't think immediately going to Washington would have been great idea under the circumstances, having him stand on the steps of the White House and end up dead.".....

We simply disagree Richard. I think that is exactly where our President belonged....On the steps of the White House, rallying his countrymen while we were under attack...showing our enemies that we stood proudly & defiantly together! (I was never prouder of our Congress when they gathered (bipartisen) on the steps of the Capital & sang God Bless America. It still send a shiver down my back!..........& where was or fearless President at that point??.... Hiding in a hole!!

Devil5052 wrote:
Why are we still there & exactly who are we fighting???

I'm not going to argue whether we should be there in the first place but the fact is we are and that can't change. Whether it's a good or bad thing won't be known for another 20 or 30 years. This is golden opportunity and we might as well make the best of it. To leave now would be stupid, all those men and womens lives would be wasted for nothing and that country will be in worse shape than before we got there. This is quite similar situation to when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan and the US sent advisers and material. Once the soviets left so did the US, end result: The Taliban and Al-Queda, that is mistake that should never be made again.

While on the topic its interesting to note that now that things have turned around in Iraq you don't here a peep from the media about it.

Richard S. wrote:

Devil5052 wrote:
Why are we still there & exactly who are we fighting???

While on the topic its interesting to note that now that things have turned around in Iraq you don't here a peep from the media about it.

Also...talk to the people who are there or have been there. They tell a very different story as to what is really going on over there as compared to the media.

Ed.A wrote: Congress VOTED to approve of going to War.

Really? I don't remember a declaration of war. Can you point me to that vote so I can read up on it?
thanks

pbmax wrote:

Ed.A wrote: Congress VOTED to approve of going to War.

Really? I don't remember a declaration of war. Can you point me to that vote so I can read up on it?
thanks

No, he can't. Because just like every conflict since wwII, congress has abdicated their responsibility and simply voted to provide funding so they can run and hide if things don't go well. They don't want to be seen voting to declare war if should become "unpopular." Just like another standup democrat from Mass. once said, "I voted for it before I voted against it"

pbmax wrote:

Ed.A wrote: Congress VOTED to approve of going to War.

Really? I don't remember a declaration of war. Can you point me to that vote so I can read up on it?
thanks

A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
Neither did we Declare WAR on North Vietnam, but I'll bet you won't find many books or people who talk about it as the Vietnam Conflict, just the like "Iraq War" so if you want to play games with symantics go ahead, but you're not contributing anything to the debate.

Why not try rebutting the content of what I wrote or is it to difficult defending Liberal hypocracy.

coalkirk wrote:

Devil5052 wrote:How much did (& do)Ted Kennedy's personal problems affect the average American voter as compared to the billions of your tax dollars, the thousands of dead American GI's, the loss of your home's value & our jobs, inabliity to gas up ours cars, heat our home (except for all of us on this forum!), & so on that this President has cost us all?

Ask the Kopecne family how much affect Teddy's personal problems had on them!
When I read liberal rants like yours, it's clear to me that you have not yet realized the seriousness of our war with radical islamic jihadists. And probably nothing I or anyone else can say will open your leftist eyes until there are mushroom clouds over head. These people mean to KILL us. I don't agree with everything Bush has done in the conduct of this war. I would have stayed on the hunt in Afganistan for Osama and followed him right into Pakistan if I had to. By the way, we would have had Osama if another great democratic senator could have kept classified information classified. We were zeroing in on Osama through the use of his sat-phone until Patrick "leaky" Leahy bragged to reporters about it. He should be in prison too for that breach.
Bush will be judged by history and I think he will be judged favorably for most of his actions. You don't hear as much in the media now about Iraq because things have turned there and are going much better overall. Still a long way to go no doubt but even Murtha had to admit the surge has worked.
If earlier presidents had reacted more forcefully when we were first attacked, including the sainted slick willy, maybe things would be different. He was too busy dealing with bimbo eruptions to react when we were attacked. Oh wait, I forget, he bombed an aspirin factory, had some million dollar a piece cruise missles lobbed in the middle of the desert and declined an invitation from Somolia to take Osama.
And yes, I was in the military. I still fire expert with an AR-15 and would love the opportunity to shoot some jihadists but they won't take an old fart like me.

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Well said Coalkirk.
When Clinton ordered the bombing of the aspirin factory, right after I was of the opinion he did the right thing until the truth was told. Then I was incensed, how could the President do such a thing. He disgraced the office, made a mockery of this country and everything it stands for. I did not vote for him, but I still respected him because he was the President. It was a rude awakening, it just reinforced my belief in being a Conservative and a Republican.
If Clinton and Congress had acted correctly after the first bombing of the Trade Center maybe we wouldn't have had the second.
It makes me sick to see him on television parading around with horse-face Hillary.
Everybody can be an armchair general and point fingers and blame who ever they don't like. Just remember one of the fundamental laws of this government, checks and balances.

Ed.A wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Ed.A wrote: Congress VOTED to approve of going to War.

Really? I don't remember a declaration of war. Can you point me to that vote so I can read up on it?
thanks

A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
Neither did we Declare WAR on North Vietnam, but I'll bet you won't find many books or people who talk about it as the Vietnam Conflict, just the like "Iraq War" so if you want to play games with symantics go ahead, but as a typical lib you're not contributing anything to the debate.

Why not try rebutting the content of what I wrote or is it to difficult defending Liberal hypocracy.

If you'll notice, it is not us "liberals" who lower themselves to name-calling on this (& other )thread/s.
...."but as a typical lib you're not contributing anything to the debate."

On a differnt thread you accused me of trying to "Belittle" you by pointing out your lack of government service, but it is you who is doing all the "belittling"
If you are searching for hypocracy, look no further.

As far as "Liberal hypocracy", what do you call this:
1. Idaho Senator Larry Craig (the anti-gay activiist) trying to pick up men in a cheap men's room
2. Vietnam "Hero" (7 deferments) & all around sportsman & hunter Dick Cheney practicaly blowing the head off his hunting buddy with a shotgun.....& then hiding out for a day to sober up before talking with anyone about it. ( & Ted Kennedy is an evil man?? for driving off a bridge drunk??)