Political Opinions

Political Opinions

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:27 pm

Seems we have a pretty good mix of people from the midwest & east here so I was just wondering if anyone would care to give their opinion on the Bush administration? (I'll reserve mine till the end )
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:39 pm

I voted for him . Sometimes I am embarresed to admit that . He has had a very trying presidency .I have to admire and fear his stand up philosiphy . It just seems like he dosen't know when to stop pushing these other countries .I guess in a way like Koreas case it worked it may be working in Iran . But our economy and our military is really taxed right now . Its almost impossible to win on multiple fronts . I also feel he is really benifiting financially personally because of his power at our expense and the way he manipulates things for his favor and his friends .Just my opinion of coarse .Because of this he has very little respect from me . Dave
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:39 pm

They're all dogs, not just Bush Admin. A lot of corruption the way it is and that's just the ones that get caught. Having said that looks like they made right call in Iraq with troop increases. Hopefully the success continues.

I'll make a prediction Giuliani wins election.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:46 pm

Richard S. wrote:I'll make a prediction Giuliani wins election.


He is going to have trouble, Bernie Kerick's trial will be running along side the election and it will probably put a drag on him if he gets the nod.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Cohiba8250 On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:47 pm

Well lets see I voted for him twice, not because I was in love with him it was just that the Democratic opponent scared me to death. He has really disappointed me in his domestic policies. I thought we were getting someone who was really interested in shrinking the size of government and cutting spending. Just the opposite has happened. I am a Libertarian at heart. As far as the 2 wars we are involved in. I think he has done as good of a job as the "American" patience will allow. As a country we expect things to be done in under 2 years. It's good to see that the surge combined with Iraqi battalion activation is showing some good promise in Iraq. However it looks like we will be reallocating troop reduction in Iraq this spring with increases in Afghanistan.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: JerseyCoal On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:56 pm

I too voted twice for Lil Bush; I saw him as the lesser of the two evils. Though it seems like he has acted and spent money like a liberal Democrat.

To quote a former client of mine, an old Russian man, describing the two major political parties in the US: "They are two different mafias, and they take turns raping the people."

That's pretty much how I see it nowadays.

John C.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: dll On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:52 pm

To Devil5052:
What is this a card game where all the players show their hands first and then you decide if your going to play. Why wait until the so-called end to give your opinion, also what post will determine the end? Is an admin going to lock up this thread when you next post?
Let's see your opinion NOW.
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: av8r On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:59 pm

JerseyCoal wrote:I too voted twice for Lil Bush; I saw him as the lesser of the two evils. Though it seems like he has acted and spent money like a liberal Democrat.

To quote a former client of mine, an old Russian man, describing the two major political parties in the US: "They are two different mafias, and they take turns raping the people."

That's pretty much how I see it nowadays.

John C.


Yup...I, like so many people, have zero confidence in the US government. We don't trust them, we don't like them, they do little or nothing to change our opinions of them, in fact they seem to go out of their way to see just how far is too far to push us. I vote because if someone doesn't vote, they have no right to complain about who is in there. That being said, I have no faith that the elections are accurate and like others have said, it's often a lesser of two evils.

I really think some of us are going to see another civil revolution during our lifetime...there really needs to be a radical shift in how this country is run.

and to Dll...I think what you posted is a bit harsh. Who made you sheriff?

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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:14 pm

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I really think some of us are going to see another civil revolution during our lifetime...there really needs to be a radical shift in how this country is run.

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:devil: :up:
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: pbmax On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:20 am

When I lived in TX, there were rumors of Bush Jr. running for president. My reaction was "No way. TX still runs on a Good ol' boy government and there's NO WAY the american people will let that go for the whole country."
I was wrong. Then the people found out his way of doing business (I think they're just now ushering out the last of his TX cadre) but voted for him again.
Now our military is off doing *censored* in places it has no business, without enough people or equipment to get it done, and coming home to reduced vet benefits after a year or more in-country.
Our environmental protection polices have been replaced with pro-business rape-the-land-but-give-it-a-nice-sounding-title policies that frighteningly mirror Orwell's distopia of 1984. (if you haven't recently, read it.)
Health care for the population is worse than ever. My wife works with a lady who had to file bankruptcy due to medical bills AFTER she got a job and off CHIPS (PA welfare for kids).
Fuel prices have more than doubled, even though we have a military presence in the region the resource is being extracted. And oil companies are making record-breaking profits. Repeatedly.

I think the problem is not so much with the current idiot-in-chief, as it is with the system. It's not a democracy. It's not even a representative-republic anymore.
oligarchyusa.com wrote:"Oligarchy... a government in which a small group exercises control, esp. for corrupt and selfish purposes."
- Mission Statement -
"Justice originates between parties of equal power."
Friedrich Nietzsche

To the extent that we, the people, are removed from control over our lands, marketplaces, central banks, and media we are no longer empowered. In practice, those few who do control the land, central bank, media and "free market" are the real rulers of our corrupt and declining "democracy."

Due to propaganda from a corporate-owned and edited media we are kept from knowing, much less debating, the nature of our system. Due to a central bank owned by bankers, media owned by a few global concerns, and trade regime controlled by global corporations (i.e., one designed to remove the people from control over their markets and environments) the vast majority have become little more than latter-day serfs and neo-slaves upon a corporate latifundia.

I really think some of us are going to see another civil revolution during our lifetime...there really needs to be a radical shift in how this country is run.
Not going to happen as long as most of the people think they're well-enough off and have visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads.

enough for now.
pb
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:31 am

Richard S. wrote:I'll make a prediction Giuliani wins election.


you know its not against the law to go against the admin... I'm outa here, took ten minutes to type this after 5 rum and cokes. :P Just glad there is spellckeck. :D
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:31 am

My bumper sticker will say: ANYBODY but HILLARY !!

I too voted twice for Bush, again, the lesser of two evils. I'm all for a change too, but neither party will produce anybody but another version of the same person and policies that we have had for seemingly forever..

I'm ready for someone/something new..

Greg L
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:44 am

pbmax wrote:When I lived in TX, there were rumors of Bush Jr. running for president. My reaction was "No way. TX still runs on a Good ol' boy government and there's NO WAY the american people will let that go for the whole country."
I was wrong. Then the people found out his way of doing business (I think they're just now ushering out the last of his TX cadre) but voted for him again.
Now our military is off doing *censored* in places it has no business, without enough people or equipment to get it done, and coming home to reduced vet benefits after a year or more in-country.
Our environmental protection polices have been replaced with pro-business rape-the-land-but-give-it-a-nice-sounding-title policies that frighteningly mirror Orwell's distopia of 1984. (if you haven't recently, read it.)
Health care for the population is worse than ever. My wife works with a lady who had to file bankruptcy due to medical bills AFTER she got a job and off CHIPS (PA welfare for kids).
Fuel prices have more than doubled, even though we have a military presence in the region the resource is being extracted. And oil companies are making record-breaking profits. Repeatedly.

I think the problem is not so much with the current idiot-in-chief, as it is with the system. It's not a democracy. It's not even a representative-republic anymore.
oligarchyusa.com wrote:"Oligarchy... a government in which a small group exercises control, esp. for corrupt and selfish purposes."
- Mission Statement -
"Justice originates between parties of equal power."
Friedrich Nietzsche

To the extent that we, the people, are removed from control over our lands, marketplaces, central banks, and media we are no longer empowered. In practice, those few who do control the land, central bank, media and "free market" are the real rulers of our corrupt and declining "democracy."

Due to propaganda from a corporate-owned and edited media we are kept from knowing, much less debating, the nature of our system. Due to a central bank owned by bankers, media owned by a few global concerns, and trade regime controlled by global corporations (i.e., one designed to remove the people from control over their markets and environments) the vast majority have become little more than latter-day serfs and neo-slaves upon a corporate latifundia.

I really think some of us are going to see another civil revolution during our lifetime...there really needs to be a radical shift in how this country is run.
Not going to happen as long as most of the people think they're well-enough off and have visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads.

enough for now.
pb


Well said & I agree with all your sentiments. Here's my opinion Dll.......(I didn't want people to think this thread was just a rant against Bush but I knew if I posted my opinion first it would appear that way) I think Bush is the worst disaster to befall this country since the Great Depression or even the Civil War. He has devasted:
1. Our Military
2. National Guard
3. Justice Dept (hiring & firing US Atty for strictly petty, partisan reasons)
4. State Dept..(We are universaly hated across the world & even our allies are backing awzay from us)
5. Our economy (what business did the Bush family makes it's $$$$ in again, oh yes.....OIL
a. people cant afford to heat their homes (homes that have no value any more thanks to Bush's buddies in the sub-prime mortgage scam business)
b. drive their cars
c. Outsourcing of our jobs to help his big busindess tycoon friends
d. Tax breaks to just the super rich while the middle class pays all the freight
Perhaps worst of all, I blame Bush for the culture of corporate greed in this country right now. Every business feels they can rape us just like Bush's buddies in the oil industry
In summary, G.W. Bush is a spolied little rich boy who's daddy got him out of ever doing anything of consequence & never taking responsibilty for anything. We are in iraq because Saddam Huessien alledgedly threatened daddy's life so little Georgy, afraid to fight his own battles (always the coward) has the US miltary do it.
Come to think of it..Can anyone tell us all one good thing Bush has accomplished during his regime? ( & for those who will say we haven't been attacked since 9/11 I would remind you that our enemy has their own time table......It was 8 full years between thier first attack on the World Trade Ctr towers (1993) & the final one in 2001. Bush has done nothing!
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: lincolnmania On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:10 am

it is proven that the bush family had ties with the nazis......so we have had bush's in office on and off since 1980......starting to agree with my father that says "the only good republican is a dead republican"
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Re: Political Opinions

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:30 am

Rant # 2

1. The United States now performs & condones torture ( We just don't call it that)
2. The Vise (not Vice) President (Cheney) is a war profiteer. (His company (which you know he will be officially returning too) Haliburton has been awarded bilions of OUR tax money in "No Bid" contracts in Iraq. ( ie Blackwater.....a band of blood-thirsty mercinaries , & many other subdivisions of Haliburton)...I wonder how much blood money Dick Cheney has made or been promised?? (There's a name for what Cheney is doing..........TREASON!)
3. Our Congress cant even go on vacation for fear of Bush making more "Recess Appointments".....They have pro-forma sessions to keep[ Bush from stealing the silverware!
4. "Signing Statements"....If King George doesn't like a law...he just ignores it!

You asked for it Dll!!
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