Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

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Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

no
4
15%
yes
23
85%
 
Total votes : 27

Re: Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:48 am

I'm sorry to say we don't have constitutional courts in this country anymore ! This is a much bigger subject than you think . Check out the history of the original 13th amendment . No lawyers could hold elective office . All lawyers have alegence to Britain by being members of the BAR . They don't really write law . They write statues and acts . There is a big difference . This country started based on common law . "law of the land" that is where that statement comes from . There is a difference between "lawful" and "legal" . You really need to check out the work done by Robert Menard or John Harris . Thomas Jefferson said this country would be taken down by the courts . But he was wrong . They have taken down the whole world . They don't educate people anymore .
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Re: Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:36 pm

^^^this.
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Re: Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:25 pm

mason coal burner wrote:I'm sorry to say we don't have constitutional courts in this country anymore ! This is a much bigger subject than you think . Check out the history of the original 13th amendment . No lawyers could hold elective office . All lawyers have allegiance to Britain by being members of the BAR . They don't really write law . They write statues and acts . There is a big difference . This country started based on common law . "law of the land" that is where that statement comes from . There is a difference between "lawful" and "legal" . You really need to check out the work done by Robert Menard or John Harris . Thomas Jefferson said this country would be taken down by the courts . But he was wrong . They have taken down the whole world . They don't educate people anymore .


Well said!
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Re: Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:11 pm

In ancient Athens Greece the prosecution was fined or imprisoned if a minimum of 20% of the jury was not swayed to agree with the prosecutions side of the case. By this system both sides (defense and prosecution) had some serious "skin in the game" (so to speak), and a strong incentive to prosecute only those well deserving of prosecution was the rule.

Also, in todays justice system if you can't afford an attorney the state will appoint one of their attorneys to "defend" you, and in this system the case becomes one of the state vs. the state, and in such a system guess who generally wins. Perhaps if a defendant can't afford an attorney it would be appreciably more fair to let him pick one of his choosing anyway, and then have the state pay the defense attorneys bill. This seems to be a better way of providing blind justice to the benefit of the defendant, and yet another incentive for the state to forgo frivolous prosecution of unwarranted cases.

Add both together and the scales of legal justice (in my opinion) would be far more fair and balanced.

Lest one thinks that I dreamed these ideas up, I did not. They were sourced from David Friedman (the law professor [legal scholar] who just happens to be the anarcho-capitalist son of Milton Friedman).
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Re: Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:36 pm

If I might add to the above (this time its me, not David Friedman, though I'm merely taking his thought process to another level): Perhaps such a new level of balanced justice (in conformance with nullification, and to bring this all on track with the original subject line of the thread) could be extended to our lawmakers themselves. I hereby propose that if a law is enacted, and if subsequently some set predominance (percentage) of legal cases trying to gain conviction under said law fail to do so (clearly through jury nullification) our elected (or otherwise appointed, or even self appointed, as with Executive Orders...) originator(s) of the law are legally to be fined or imprisoned as a consequence.

This would go far to help eliminate frivolous and/or freedom robbing legislation, and to set straight the minds and motivations of our elected officials, and to shift the balance of power back to the people. It would give our elected officials (and their appointments) some "skin in the game".
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Re: Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:59 pm

I'm beginning to feel that I lost everyone with my last few posts above. :gee:
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Re: Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:54 pm

lsayre wrote:I'm beginning to feel that I lost everyone with my last few posts above. :gee:

It's just that it is so far reaching any answer first has to figure out how that could be screwed up too as it certainly would be.
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Re: Poll: Do you believe in "Jury Nullification of the Law"?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:16 pm

Criminal Courts have Quietly Moved From “May” Convict to “Must” Convict Jury Instructions Over the past 40 Years. Talk about destroying the balance of what should be blind justice!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/roge ... t-convict/
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