Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun May 12, 2013 9:10 am

theres lots out there... "fire stop II" refractory cement in the critical areas followed by a overcoat of black 2k* goop is my way to seal out the gazz.. I am always wanting to learn the right way though....
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Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Photog200 On: Sun May 12, 2013 9:36 am

[/quote]Sealant,
I'm a carpenter, I want something in a caulk tube that's black. I did some looking last night and there are products available that meet that criteria. Due to all of the areas that need to be sealed running a bead is way cleaner for me than slopping some crap out of a bucket. If it cures black any squeeze out won't be nearly as unsightly.[/quote]

I am sure others with more experience on here will comment on this but everything that I have read on here and what I was told when I restored mine was not to use the silicone sealants on the stove parts. They get too hot in most places for it to work. It was recommended to me to get the stove cement that Lehman's hardware out of Kidron Ohio carries as it has fibers in it that make it stronger. After you put the parts together you just clean up where it squishes out with a damp cloth. I know this was covered quite a bit in Nortcan's thread because he tried to use the silicone sealant and it just boiled out of certain areas.
Photog200
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, Kineo #15 base burner & Geneva Oak Andes #517
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun May 12, 2013 9:47 am

Wouldn't even think of using a silicone. It looks as if some, if not all manufactures package the correct stove cement in buckets and tubes. Same product different delivery system. At least that's what I found while looking last night. Doesn't mean I'm right. Just what I think I saw :D
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Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
Stove/Furnace Model: Royal Bride

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Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun May 12, 2013 10:09 am

Im with you on the stainless hardware (i was thinking about using some custom ordered bronze) Im just not sure about electrolosis of bronze/iron sulfur all touching each other :cry: ... I think stainless is a safer bet for this.
I would like to hear William weigh in about the furnace cement to use (I like your theory on the black), id like to stear clear of refractory cement because I think that exactly whats chipping out now (I think something thats a little more flexable and smoother is better, but im just guessing :cry: )
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Photog200 On: Sun May 12, 2013 11:35 am

dcrane wrote:Im with you on the stainless hardware (i was thinking about using some custom ordered bronze) Im just not sure about electrolosis of bronze/iron sulfur all touching each other :cry: ... I think stainless is a safer bet for this.
I would like to hear William weigh in about the furnace cement to use (I like your theory on the black), id like to stear clear of refractory cement because I think that exactly whats chipping out now (I think something thats a little more flexable and smoother is better, but im just guessing :cry: )


William is the one who told me he uses this stuff from Lehman's
https://www.lehmans.com/p-3143-hearthst ... ement.aspx
Photog200
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, Kineo #15 base burner & Geneva Oak Andes #517
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun May 12, 2013 11:44 am

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rutland-10-3 ... Y-4WOXD-P8

This is the stuff I'm talking about.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
Stove/Furnace Model: Royal Bride

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun May 12, 2013 11:47 am

Here are some pictures of the fire pot.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
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Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun May 12, 2013 11:52 am

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Here is something that may interest you guys. It looks as if there was a shelf on the bottom of the teeth to support some kind of liner.
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And this is the biggest one that still remains
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Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
Stove/Furnace Model: Royal Bride

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sun May 12, 2013 12:06 pm

Front door opening is just a hair over 6" tall. A six inch fire pot would be the ticket for ease of use/assembly
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Now here is the big question.
Someplace I remember reading that you can't use stove polish on blasted metal. Is that true?
In other words, can I send this thing out for media blasting and expect to have a 100% perfect finish after applying stove polish? I can't imagine sanding the exterior in preparation for finishing.
I been cleaning and dry fitting all of the pieces and am concerned about how the overall finish will turn out due to color variances in the parts. Even has some small areas of rust that if I treat with acid may or may not finish with the surrounding metal. I want this thing to finish perfect, not almost perfect.

I don't have any stove black to even do a trial run. Does it cover small scratches in the CI?

Any input is appreciated.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
Stove/Furnace Model: Royal Bride

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon May 13, 2013 12:45 am

The Hearth Stone Furnace Cement is highly superior to Rutland. The Rutland stuff will harden, become brittle and break apart. The Hearth Stone is very pliable and will hold. I have had great success with it. As far as something black is concerned; all furnace cement will whiten or turn a light gray when heat cured. Some stove polish rubbed on it covers it up. Emery at Antique Stove Hospital rubs plain vegetable oil on it and he says it will disappear and not become visible again.

Now that Hercules brand furnace cement is a darn good product too. I have used it often. It is also very good for sealing stove pipes to the thimble.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
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Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon May 13, 2013 7:27 am

@ wannabe, Those lil' ledges on the firepot fingers could have been for a replacable ring that could have been purposed for reducing the gaps that might let coal fall through to easy (depending on size used), It could enable a smaller size of coal to be used while still allowing for that important air to still get through (this "ring" concept has been used on other stoves including my dads model 44 and more recently added to the new Chubby).

@Walliam, thank you for your suggestions about furnace cement on a rebuild, can you please comment/suggest/investigate the subject of hardware on an antique rebuild, TY in advance :love:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Mon May 13, 2013 7:54 am

dcrane wrote:@Walliam, thank you for your suggestions about furnace cement on a rebuild, can you please comment/suggest/investigate the subject of hardware on an antique rebuild, TY in advance :love:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
Stove/Furnace Model: Royal Bride

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon May 13, 2013 5:24 pm

Wanna Bee wrote:
dcrane wrote:@Walliam, thank you for your suggestions about furnace cement on a rebuild, can you please comment/suggest/investigate the subject of hardware on an antique rebuild, TY in advance :love:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Don't go nuts on the fasteners. They have no impact on the stove's intrinsic value what so ever. If you want historically correct square headed nuts, then they can, like everything else these days; be found on line. Just don't go cheap. The bolts need to hold up against massive heat/cold stresses.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Mon May 13, 2013 8:13 pm

OK, I spent the better part of the weekend cleaning and inspecting the stove. Been dry fitting every part looking for any problems that would arise while assembling it. So far I have only found a few minor cracks. And the air intake needs to be adjusted to be able to accurately control combustion air.

I have also decided that I will be doing final assembly in the house where the stove will be installed. I figured why bother assembling it outside in the shop, then move it 100 ft. into the house. This way I can avoid the chance of damaging the stove, the house, and my back. Also keeps me from disturbing the newly sealed stove body.

All of this gets me to where I am today:
If I'm going to do final assembly in the house I'm going to need the base for support. The base needs to be fully refinished first. Sooooo... I contacted a bunch of local plating shops. There is one that is going to have a look and give me a price. He is also going to give me a price to bead blast the rest of the stove parts. I'm going to drop them off in a week if his price is reasonable. Finished plating should be three weeks tops. :)
Wanna Bee
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
Stove/Furnace Model: Royal Bride

Re: Found it !! My 'Royal Bride' restoration thread

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Mon May 13, 2013 8:31 pm

All of the hard work is getting done by someone else so that lets me get to the Fire pot.

I started out with a lot of measuring. There are three pieces that form a ledge for the firepot to sit on. If you line up the pieces like they would be in the stove they only measure 15 1/4". The firepot measures 15 3/4" at the smallest spot around the supporting rim. :? While I was doing the tear down I noticed the FP was not seated correctly.
For now I'm going to let the pictures do the talking.
This shows a substantial gap at the front. It also shows how far off the radius is.
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See the huge gap at the rear
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15 1/4" OTO
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Fire pot 15 3/4"
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Stove/Furnace Make: Grander Stove Co.
Stove/Furnace Model: Royal Bride

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