Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

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Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity?

Humans are born with an innate propensity for good
1
6%
Humans are born with an innate propensity for evil
2
12%
Humans are born as blank slates and must be reared and nurtured into being good, evil, or other
14
82%
 
Total votes : 17

Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:13 am

Are humans born with an innate evilness, an innate goodness, or are they merely a blank slate ready to be molded?
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:48 am

You need a 4th option. I believe in Nature not nurture as the overriding factor. I believe people are born as one or the other, as some are dumb and some are smart. And all shades of gray in between.

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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:44 am

Agree with KLook. It's why systems of government that try to regulate behaviour and thought to conform to what government thinks is best, always fail. Nature will out.
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:49 am

I think how you turn out depends on the first 2 - 5 years of your life. By that point, your personality is pretty much a done deal.

Case in point - I have a close friend that just adopted a 2 year old from a VERY bad situation. They're trying their best to teach her right from wrong, but I can just see they've got their hands full. It's amazing the anger a child picks up at such a young age.
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:55 am

Even with Pavlov's dog study. If that dog were released back to the wild, it's natural survival skills would kick in. OR,it would just die from stupidity--kinda doubtful there ;)
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:38 pm

I think it's situational. Under the right circumstances, we all have the ability to be "evil."

And that line is different for everyone. I'm not sure either is "innate" in anyone.
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:48 pm

We start as blank slates and 51% showed last year that they are determined to remain blank slates.
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: cabinover On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:12 pm

:clap: :rofl:
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:54 pm

Humans are born with an innate propensity for good

I was the only voter for this option so far. Its obvious to me, If we were not, then mankind wouldn't have gotten very far. My optimistic nature is showing again lol. We are born with a few fundamental instincts, mainly survival. Then later in life our instincts direct us to reproduce and protect our offspring, both these I would call "good traits".. Trouble is that some of our fellow mankind are devious with these instincts at the cost of innocent others, (both survival and with "protecting their offspring") so us good people see them as evil.. Of course I'm writing this with a good buzz on so it probably don't make sense :lol: :lol:
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: home harvest On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:56 pm

SMITTY wrote:I think how you turn out depends on the first 2 - 5 years of your life. By that point, your personality is pretty much a done deal.

Case in point - I have a close friend that just adopted a 2 year old from a VERY bad situation. They're trying their best to teach her right from wrong, but I can just see they've got their hands full. It's amazing the anger a child picks up at such a young age.


I disagree with you conclusion regarding the cause and effect. I believe the adopted child could be a handful, but I think that was set at conception, not after birth.

When I breed my livestock I'm careful to account for the attributes of the parents. With my goats I can see some of the buck, and some of the doe in the kids. And I'm not just talking about physical attributes. A skittish doe will lead to a skittish kid, no matter how we handle them. An overprotective (mean) rooster will breed overprotective roosters. I could go on and on. I see no reason to believe humans are any different.

Point in case, I have an adopted brother and sister. They were raised in the same house with the same rules as us 3 natural siblings. None of the 3 of us has ever been in trouble. We all live in stable households, hold steady jobs, live normal lives. My adopted brother has been in trouble with the law, has drinking problems, and can't keep a job. My adopted sister has drug problems, has been in and out of rehab, her kids have periodically been taken by the state, the last time when she was caught living with her dealer.

I can think of no better explanation than bad seed. Your main personality traits are set by your parents, and you can do little to change that. We are all capable of doing good, or evil. Some have better control over their base impulses than others, and I believe its this "control" we get from our parents.

The poll doesn't account for the genetics.
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Re: Poll: How do you perceive the fundamental nature of humanity

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:39 pm

I raised twin sons that I adopted. I know their parents(married their mother) father was in my high school class, and their extended families. My Niece has adopted 2 kids from Korea as she is barren. It is unbelievable the things I can see and predict about my sons behavior with the knowledge of where they came from. People congratulated me on raising such stable, smart, polite, and successful children. I view it differently. I have moved my position to some degree, I may have had a stabilizing affect on them. But they are mirror images of their ancestors. My influence made them stable and confident where their father and uncle were drunk, loud, underachieving idiots. They would have been also if raised by either the father or uncle. My Niece is seeing much the same thing. The kids just are different. They are different in many ways. they are Korean, not successful white Wall Street types. NOT stupid, in fact brilliant, just different. They are quite young so I am watching with great interest.
I observed two black kids, brothers, adopted by old gray uberliberal hippies way out in the boonies. These kids had very limited access to their native culture. I will be damned if they did not develop the same exact attitudes and speech, mannerisms and reactions to whites that the city kids I coached at the university level had. It was just amazing to see. Now a good Liberal would say we whites were the problem, we treated them in a way that created the black attitude. What a crock! They were just a couple of kids and treated like every other kid around. Those 2 were not the only ones either, and most all of the others developed the same angry, belligerent attitude. The girls got pregnant early, abused, beat around, just did not have a sense of pride in themselves, good values.
We are different as cultures, we are different as individuals. No race has a corner on perfection. Every race on planet earth wants to come here and enjoy the success the white race created with a system of laws celebrating achievement and liberty. But they want to take it away from those that created it rather then join in the values and morals and laws that make it possible. Naturally, they cannot become white anymore them we can become whatever race/creed they are. I am not a racist and there are much smarter, savvy people of all races then me, but we are not taking smarts or savvy, we are talking inherent values and morals when dealing with other people. This is what makes a civil society.

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