Jotul 507 Inquiry

Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:59 pm

Godin stoves heat well, they also have a very bad ineffective shaker system and a really tiny ash pan.
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: Cool Customer On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:31 pm

franco b wrote:Godin stoves heat well, they also have a very bad ineffective shaker system and a really tiny ash pan.


Thanks for that franco b. That seems to be common among very small stoves, I'm learning.
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:36 pm

There are a lot around at cheap prices and it is a more efficient stove than the Jotul. Does not need manual damper or barometric dampe


In a word - wrong. When an item is like gold dust ask why....
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:07 pm

For your application I do believe a Franco Belge stove would be best. There is nothing new or old more efficient or quicker and easier to tend. The only drawback to these stoves is that the firebox is small and shallow which when trying to heat a whole larger house leads to over firing. That would not be a problem in your case and with a minor modification 12 hour or even longer times between tending is possible. Tending time is under 5 minutes and things like puffbacks just do not happen, at least in my experience and from what others have said.

Many thousands were sold and there are a lot on the used market for $300 or under. A mid size one I am using (there are 3 sizes) cost $75 but needed some work. I am currently running that stove upstairs in a raised ranch and a small 1908 Glenwood downstairs. 2200 sq. ft.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:10 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
There are a lot around at cheap prices and it is a more efficient stove than the Jotul. Does not need manual damper or barometric dampe


In a word - wrong. When an item is like gold dust ask why....


What part is wrong?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:32 pm

The parts extracted.

650* over the top door, flu 130*, Jeddo stove burned to a whitish ash, no unburned coal. Which Law of thermodynamics do you wish to rewrite to claim better efficiency? Very air tight and controllable, no damper needed and I used no baro. Dislikes, it will burn like a nuclear reactor without damage (932*) but you had better like filling the stove up. That small firebox can be a pain and there is no hopper but then that is why it is small and as a moron, I do miss a window. I do not wish to get into my stove is better than your stove, the franco is different.
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:53 pm

Psst, anyone want to buy a black cat in a tunnel at midnight.


http://newlondon.craigslist.org/hsh/3643600842.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


I suspect it is the score of the week.....another plant display?......... my wife would kill me.
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:16 pm

coalnewbie wrote: I do not wish to get into my stove is better than your stove, the franco is different.

Neither do I but I do recognize that many designs might have a feature in particular better than some other stove. For instance, for ease of shaking down my Glenwood is faster and easier than any other stove I have used with no wasted coal. In other areas some other stoves are better.

As for efficiency the German DIN laboratory reported over 90 percent efficiency for the Franco. I don't normally recommend the Franco because the output is not enough for most applications, 25,000 Btu by the maker, but in this case it seems to me ideal.

I like the Jotul and will buy one to add to the collection which is down to five at this time, if I see one at the right price. With a stove temp. of 650 and a flue temp. of 130 I would have to ask how close to the stove it was measured at. Normal spot is within a foot of the stove breech. You should be able to hold your hand on it easily at that temp.
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:34 pm

My Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Don't let my Gretel hear you call her classic.....She's a Hottie!!!!!! 1ft square and a heat machine :)
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:36 am

Don't let my Gretel hear you call her classic.....She's a Hottie!!!!!! 1ft square and a heat machine


Moderators are only selected on the basis of knowledge (I imagine) and to be the PA moderator is the peak. Isn't it funny, all those really knowledgeable people who have a Gretel rave about this inefficient, featureless stove. No owner I know of has a bad word...... Let me give you a piece of advice on life.

Once you have accurately identified who the real experts on anything are (and that is the trick), follow them blindly, you mostly find out why they know what they know. I have a collection of GREAT anthracite stoves that help me deal with a nightmare heating problem. Everyone was selected on the basis of multiple REAL experts on this board raving about them and learning what to look out for. So the following moderators have all bought and loved gretels, PA, ME, MD etc. - hmmm, do you see a pattern here, I do. They all bought an outdated, featureless, hard to get parts for, non US stove. So what did they know that I did not???? I bought my gretel blindly following this formula and bingo, I now get it. This works for everything except Detroit cars....... we all have a blind spot....... HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA.

Now if we see above, some idiot is selling a gretel for $100 and you are all asleep at the switch. If someone has not bought it by Monday I will buy it sight unseen and use it as a plant stand. Wake up, that is about 23 galls of HO and 50% of CT is stuck with HO. It's not hard to work this stuff out.
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:16 am

coalnewbie wrote:
Don't let my Gretel hear you call her classic.....She's a Hottie!!!!!! 1ft square and a heat machine


Moderators are only selected on the basis of knowledge (I imagine) and to be the PA moderator is the peak. Isn't it funny, all those really knowledgeable people who have a Gretel rave about this inefficient, featureless stove. No owner I know of has a bad word...... Let me give you a piece of advice on life.

Once you have accurately identified who the real experts on anything are (and that is the trick), follow them blindly, you mostly find out why they know what they know. I have a collection of GREAT anthracite stoves that help me deal with a nightmare heating problem. Everyone was selected on the basis of multiple REAL experts on this board raving about them and learning what to look out for. So the following moderators have all bought and loved gretels, PA, ME, MD etc. - hmmm, do you see a pattern here, I do. They all bought an outdated, featureless, hard to get parts for, non US stove. So what did they know that I did not???? I bought my gretel blindly following this formula and bingo, I now get it. This works for everything except Detroit cars....... we all have a blind spot....... HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA.

Now if we see above, some idiot is selling a gretel for $100 and you are all asleep at the switch. If someone has not bought it by Monday I will buy it sight unseen and use it as a plant stand. Wake up, that is about 23 galls of HO and 50% of CT is stuck with HO. It's not hard to work this stuff out.



Well if it were possible to reply to the poster of the hundred dollar507........ I would be schlepping it home by now ! 8-)
It looks like a "B" model as the labels on the lower door indicate...... I don't sleep to deep near switches..... Err....swatches......err.....snitches...........errrrrrrrrrrr........ :roll:
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Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:33 am

Poconoeagle wrote:My Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Don't let my Gretel hear you call her classic.....She's a Hottie!!!!!! 1ft square and a heat machine :)


:lol: She's a hottie alright! But being a classic hottie isn't a bad thing. Think Raquel Welch. I don't know how old she is but stil smokin' hot.
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:43 am

Think Raquel Welch. I don't know how old she is but stil smokin' hot.


............. and just when I thought you knew everything.....
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:47 am

coalnewbie wrote:
Think Raquel Welch. I don't know how old she is but stil smokin' hot.


............. and just when I thought you knew everything.....

:idhitit: :drool: :shh:
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Re: Jotul 507 Inquiry

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:50 am

coalkirk wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote:My Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Don't let my Gretel hear you call her classic.....She's a Hottie!!!!!! 1ft square and a heat machine :)


:lol: She's a hottie alright! But being a classic hottie isn't a bad thing. Think Raquel Welch. I don't know how old she is but stil smokin' hot.



Very,very...,very good point :)
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Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska