Machinist show yourselves !

Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:44 pm

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I just bought this Saturday ! It all functions! Cincinnati Tool Master 1A according to the serial but it has the power feed to quill and all the parts of a 1B so I'm going to call it that lol. It has power cross feed and a slotting/shaper attachment on the rear .

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I am loading it up on a flat bed this weekend and installing it in my garage. I was a machinist in the USAF so I'm excited to get back into it ! It's my first major machine for my new business!
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:09 am

Exciting! You'll have fun with that. *smile* Careful moving it, they are HEAVY, and a bit top heavy.
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:22 am

Freddy wrote:Exciting! You'll have fun with that. *smile* Careful moving it, they are HEAVY, and a bit top heavy.


That's right ! You have a CNC set up don't you? I forgot you machined! It's been a long time since I ran a mill so I've been reading a lot to refresh my mind. What do you personally think of the Cincinnati tool masters? I was going to buy a Bridgeport but I couldn't pass up the deal the guy gave me on this! I'm afraid thy the collets may cost me a lot . This machine uses a coley type 8. I haven't looked into the price for them yet but was reading . I keep hearing a out a type 40 taper is this regarding the collect method it uses? I found a PDF of the operators manual but Cincinnati wants $195 for an electronic copy of the service/parts manual !!! I have also been reading that the Cincinnati is a heavier duty, more rigid machine. There is a Bridgeport to the right of it and you can already see it has some size difference . It will be interesting getting it in my garage. Without that red motor on top the machine is 74" which will fit in my door of 83" height but it will be interesting. I was thinking of building a cart for it with heavy duty machine casters so we can lift it off the truck onto this cart and roll it into the space then lift each side off the cart. It weighs 2300lbs without the accessories so I'm guessing 2500lbs at least.

The milling head I can use on my 220 outlet but the shaper I will need a 3 phase converter which I'm buying with the machine.

Let me know what you think . I'm a sponge for info right now :)
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:28 am

Let me know what you think .


I think I envy BIG time that you know how to run it. :( I will be an old man by the time I get around to being in a position to learn some machining and getting machines. BE and old man??? :shock: Depends where your cut off line is I guess! Have fun relearning and playing with it.
I am planning a small woodworking shop at this time, more in line with my vocation. And it includes a home built CNC machine also.

Kevin
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:58 am

Smoke, if you build a cart don't forget to keep a low profile on it & add that height in figureing out the door height. Above all whenever moving something top heavy go slow, never be in a rush I'vee seen more than one top heavy piece of equipment get away, once it starts there's no stopping it good luck & enjoy. My main craft was being a Rigger in the steel mills & we used to move stuff like that often, we used what are called tank crabs, if you can find a set to borrow or rent that would be the way to go IMO.
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:00 pm

I have a couple toys in the shop
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As far as moving the mill. I used 3 pieces of 1" gas pipe as rollers, moved it 40' to its final position myself.

Also, you might be able to have the spindle taper reground to a more common r8 collet for cheaper than you think.
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:28 pm

Congrats on your new toy, I dont have any at the house cause i dont have a garage...yet. I am lucky to work in a shop with new machines even though there chinese GMC units.
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:08 pm

Smokeyja wrote: You have a CNC set up don't you?


I have a home made CNC machine that's aimed at cutting wood, but, it's done a surprising amount of aluminum the last 6 months. We did a job a few weeks back that took 8 hours & 45 minutes! My buddy Charlie has the "steel shop". Look at what was GIVEN to him today! Lousy picture, but, it's a CNC milling machine. In 1991 it cost $49,000. Today it needed a new home & for the price of delivery ($100), it now sits in Charlies shop. Yeeehaaa! It's a BEAST. It came with a few grand worth of tools too. Crazy lucky!

I'm not familiar with what's better than what...ANY full size machine is a good machine. How many HP do you need 3 phase for? If it's only 2 or 3 HP, n electronic converter might be the ticket.

Do you want, need, a surface grinder? Charlie has one he'd let go for the price of scrap plus $50.
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:56 pm

Freddy wrote:
Smokeyja wrote: You have a CNC set up don't you?


I have a home made CNC machine that's aimed at cutting wood, but, it's done a surprising amount of aluminum the last 6 months. We did a job a few weeks back that took 8 hours & 45 minutes! My buddy Charlie has the "steel shop". Look at what was GIVEN to him today! Lousy picture, but, it's a CNC milling machine. In 1991 it cost $49,000. Today it needed a new home & for the price of delivery ($100), it now sits in Charlies shop. Yeeehaaa! It's a BEAST. It came with a few grand worth of tools too. Crazy lucky!

I'm not familiar with what's better than what...ANY full size machine is a good machine. How many HP do you need 3 phase for? If it's only 2 or 3 HP, n electronic converter might be the ticket.

Do you want, need, a surface grinder? Charlie has one he'd let go for the price of scrap plus $50.


Wow that is awesome Freddy! The Motor on the top of the head for the mill was originally a 1hp but the red motor you see has been retrofitted to work ... I have to talk to him about it more. Im pretty sure it is a 220 but he said I can run it in my garage without a converter but the slotter on the rear is a 1/2hp 60 cycle motor that requires 3 phase but he is selling me a phase converter for somewhere around $100 and he is really good at building them! in this area they say the guy is like a mad scientist.

Here is where I got the machine http://www.dempseyandco.com/ here is the ad for phase converters http://www.dempseyandco.com/phase_converters.htm

I am interested in the surface grinder! PMing you about it.

Here is a link to the operators manual on this mill if anyone is interested. http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=4484

I havent got it to my garage yet so i havent looked it over enough yet but I trust the guy who sold it to me and so does a lot of other people so if he says it works good then I beleive him.

Wanna Bee wrote:I have a couple toys in the shop
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As far as moving the mill. I used 3 pieces of 1" gas pipe as rollers, moved it 40' to its final position myself.

Also, you might be able to have the spindle taper reground to a more common r8 collet for cheaper than you think.


nice set up man! I just added a lathe to my shop tonight an old south bend. My friend is moving to a new job and said he wont be using it anytime soon. of course its a decent size but I want a bigger gear lathe so it will go back to him when I get that. but I am holding it for him and using it until then . I also brought home a 350lbs anvil and a propane forge tonight :)

the pipe idea is a great idea! that is the most awesome solution ! Pipe is what I will use! It says that it uses a number 8 collet so I am guessing that is the same as R8?

samhill wrote:Smoke, if you build a cart don't forget to keep a low profile on it & add that height in figureing out the door height. Above all whenever moving something top heavy go slow, never be in a rush I'vee seen more than one top heavy piece of equipment get away, once it starts there's no stopping it good luck & enjoy. My main craft was being a Rigger in the steel mills & we used to move stuff like that often, we used what are called tank crabs, if you can find a set to borrow or rent that would be the way to go IMO.
tank crabs? I will have to look them up . I have a flat bed and bobcat with fork attachments to use.
KLook wrote:
Let me know what you think .


I think I envy BIG time that you know how to run it. :( I will be an old man by the time I get around to being in a position to learn some machining and getting machines. BE and old man??? :shock: Depends where your cut off line is I guess! Have fun relearning and playing with it.
I am planning a small woodworking shop at this time, more in line with my vocation. And it includes a home built CNC machine also.

Kevin


Its not to hard to learn really. Just need to be safe in whatever you do! hands on is always the best for learning!
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Ed.A On: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:32 pm

I've been in the trade since I was 17 yrs old ('79) When a 17 yr old could actually work in the industry without worry of insurance and state/ fed regulations.

In '92 I started my own shop in my garage, first with a 1942 6" EE Monarch Lathe and a 1948 Rockwell Universal Mill. Quickly moved on to a Ex-Cello Miller ( ie: Canadian, Bridgeport Clone ..which I still own and love).
In '96 I bought a new Fryer Machine Systems 3 axis MB-11 CNC Miller ( 40 g's back then). I can proudly say I can hold True Position .003 and circle interpolation within .0015 all day long after all these years. Prolly time to replace the ballscrews and update the Controller but it still makes me decent ching everyday.

I ditched the old Monarch along time back for a 1970's 15" x 60" LeBlond Servo-shift which I can still hold +/-.0005 without worries.

In 2003 Times went hard and I went to work for one of my customers as Methods and Planner / Estimator and stayed there until 2010 when I went back to full time Self-employment status.
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:37 am

where are the CAD systems for these machines? :lol: JK,JK

Great quality stuff here... I bought my drill press from the ole' Foxboro Company and it still works great 20 years later! better then any of that China made "woodworkers warehouse" junk they sell today :lol: Ill post photo after my Camera is charged ;)

May I ask how much you got that beautiful Bridgeport for? (idk if its a Bridgeport, I just call all machines that do that stuff "Bridgeports" :lol:
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:20 am

dcrane wrote:May I ask how much you got that beautiful Bridgeport for? (idk if its a Bridgeport, I just call all machines that do that stuff "Bridgeports" :lol:

The generic term is Mill. Just like all hot tubs aren't Jacuzzi's :D
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:19 am

Not all the chinese tooling is junk I work with a gmc gml 1640hd every day and its as good as the southbends iv used, once it got a decent chuck and tool post on it. It cuts threads great, I had to make 200 tapered plugs with a 32 on them. That was fun to set up.
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:46 am

Ok, so here's the drill press i LOVE so much... I know its not a "Mill" but for me i would'nt ever get rid of this "Beast" (the chuck has a grip like iron and the drill is so powerful it will take my right arm off at the socket if it ever jambs... just the way i expect a good drill press to run! :lol:). I dont use it often but its a great lil' unit that takes up very space and when I need it I know its their for me and I know it will drill anything like "butta" :clap:

P.S. excuse the shop pig pen, ill clean as soon as it warms up and i can have my epic yard sale :P
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Re: Machinist show yourselves !

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:07 pm




Here is how our grates get drilled at the factory. It is an old Bridgeport CNC Mill. It originally had Boss 5 controls I gutted it and upgraded the controls and drives.
These grates used to be drilled by hand on a drill press. 130 holes for the 90K grate and 182 holes on the 110 grate.
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