Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: Photog200 On: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:16 pm

wsherrick wrote:You'll be glad you have it.

I am sure I will be glad I have it! Thanks again for your guidance and help with this stove, I sincerely do appreciate it.
Randy
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
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Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: Photog200 On: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:49 pm

Got to Maine safely tonight but the weather was terrible the whole trip. It took 8.5 hrs to get here. I will go to Brant's first thing in the morning.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:57 pm

Photog200 wrote:Got to Maine safely tonight but the weather was terrible the whole trip. It took 8.5 hrs to get here. I will go to Brant's first thing in the morning.


Glad to hear you made it up safe, sorry to hear you had to follow this miserable storm the whole drive :( Maybe some Lobsters and hot butter will warm you up :P
Thats Brants looks like a very kool place to visit (I should have went their when I was up in Maine :mad:
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Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: Photog200 On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:18 pm

dcrane wrote:
Photog200 wrote:Got to Maine safely tonight but the weather was terrible the whole trip. It took 8.5 hrs to get here. I will go to Brant's first thing in the morning.


Glad to hear you made it up safe, sorry to hear you had to follow this miserable storm the whole drive :( Maybe some Lobsters and hot butter will warm you up :P
Thats Brants looks like a very kool place to visit (I should have went their when I was up in Maine :mad:

I was so tired when I got to the hotel, the only place I went for dinner was right next door at Burger King. I worked all night then drove there but I wasn't excited to get there, no not at all. :clap:
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
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Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: Photog200 On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:25 pm

Made it home safe and sound and the drive home was much better than the one going to Maine. The stove is in the house but will need to get some new stove pipe to get her hooked up.

Bryant's Stove Works is a very special place and if you have the opportunity to go see it, you really should. They have an awesome stove museum and much more. You have to see it to believe it. I was there for a little over two hours but could have stayed much longer. I got to talk with Mr. & Mrs. Bryant and would have loved to spend the whole day there just talking with them! They have an awesome collection of books about these old stoves...those books alone would have taken me all day to look through.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: Photog200 On: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:14 pm

I posted some info on another thread about my Kineo stove and am going to post it here as well because I want to do a follow up after talking with Bryant Stove today.

The issues I am having with the stove are not operational as it is very easy to operate. When they did the restoration, it looks like they cemented the access panel down for the base burner area under the ash pan. I found some steel wool inside the jacket area around the ash pan where the check damper is located in there. That is why I tried to get into the base area to make sure that area was clear too but could not get the lid out. The nickel is pealing a little off the finial (which I did not notice in the store) The secondary air control knob is loose too, which is something I will be able to take care of myself. I called Bryant's and told them about the panel and they suggested I try to gently pry it up...if I cannot then he suggested I bring it back and he will tear it apart again. That sounds easier than it is to do...I live in Central NY up near Lake Ontario which is an 8 hour drive to their place in Maine and if I have to leave it that means another trip to pick it back up. I may have to do the tear down myself.

As far as operation goes, the stove is VERY efficient and is very controllable. I put coal in it last night at 6:00pm and just put a couple more scoops tonight at 6:00pm and it was still half full of coal. It is idling at about 150°- 200°f. I was not sure if I would loose draft because it got up to 56°f outside today but it kept chugging along.


Today, after having some heat in the base I thought I would try to remove the access panel to the base channels. Because there had been some heat in there I was able to work the panel off...well, to my disbelief I found that the entire base was full of ash. This obviously meant the stove never was completely torn down and fully restored (needless to say I was not a happy person). I got on the phone and called Mrs. Bryant to talk to her in person. If this was my business I would want to know this kind of information so I thought she should know. She was very apologetic and said the guy who restored my stove had been fired because they found three other stoves that he did this too. I wanted to post this follow up for a couple of reasons, one is because I have a huge amount of respect for Mrs. Bryant. She has a huge amount of knowledge of these old stoves and I kind of feel bad for her. She is getting up there in years ( in her 80's) and she has to count on employees to run the business. I did not want my posting to be construed as Bryant Stove bashing because that was not my intent. The fact that she had an employee that did not do his job correctly unfortunately does give her name a black eye but I wanted people to know that the issue with him has been resolved. If you do hear some bad things about their store, please take this information into consideration. They have a wonderful store and museum and I would hate to see a bad employee hurt their business.
Photog200
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:01 pm

As well meaning as Mrs. Bryant might be there still has to be someone in charge of quality control, at least until you are certain that a particular employee does good work. It's a failure of management.

You should have been offered a discount for the work that was not done and needs to be done. To say return it is not realistic since you will have to spend a hundred dollars or more for gas and a lot of time.
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Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:18 pm

Well this brings a thought I've had for some time on base burners in general. How much extra effort is it to do an end of season clean down over say an oak type stove. This is not the first time I have seen those base channels ashed over and the many other hot air channels. Is this an issue you have in order to get the extra efficiency.
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Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: Photog200 On: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:23 pm

franco b wrote:As well meaning as Mrs. Bryant might be there still has to be someone in charge of quality control, at least until you are certain that a particular employee does good work. It's a failure of management.

You should have been offered a discount for the work that was not done and needs to be done. To say return it is not realistic since you will have to spend a hundred dollars or more for gas and a lot of time.

Mrs. Bryant did offer me something in return for the error. She knew I was looking at a Magee base heater stove there that needed a lot of work and she offered to give me that stove if I wanted to come and pick it up. She was very fair to me to make it up. I turned down the offer because that is not what I was after, I just wanted her to know what was going on. The unfortunate thing for me right now is I have a stove that I thought was completely restored and it was only partially restored at best. Until I get in there and do more inspections I don't know if anything else might be wrong. If I find something wrong, I am sure they will make it right.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:43 pm

She was very apologetic and said the guy who restored my stove had been fired because they found three other stoves that he did this too.


So logically the guys work that already had been found to short circuit the restore process on three other stoves should have been at least been checked before sale, yes? I feel for your disappointment.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: Photog200 On: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:53 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
She was very apologetic and said the guy who restored my stove had been fired because they found three other stoves that he did this too.


So logically the guys work that already had been found to short circuit the restore process on three other stoves should have been at least been checked before sale, yes? I feel for your disappointment.

Yes, I would agree with that and her foreman also agreed that he should have gone over the stove before it left. That is why Mrs. Bryant knew they were in the wrong and made the offer of the other stove. At least the stove was priced well and I don't mind working on these stoves. Everything seems to be working just fine so I am just going to keep my fingers crossed. Other than these few issues, I really like the stove. It is going to be a very efficient I can tell that already. I hope to get some photos of it up soon.
Randy
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:30 pm

Im sorry to say that the stove shop needs to do better then offer you to drive 2 days out their again :mad: Especially after admiting the person who worked on your stove was fired for not properly restoring it!
FAIR OPTIONS TO ALL PARTIES...
#1 refund your money plus $200 at the time their truck is at your home picking up the stove.
#2 send you a check for $500 for you to do the work that should have been done.
#3 offer an equivilent properly restored stove that will be shipped out to you (that same truck will pick up your current stove)

anything less then similar to what ive described above would be "unfair" in my mind, your clearly a kind person and maybe its not worth the stress of demanding a $500 check be mailed out to you... Im just giving my opinion here.
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Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: nortcan On: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:49 pm

Very sad to read this Randy.
If your stove was """restored""" like you said, and I believe you it was, how about ""all"" the other ""restored"" stoves in the show room :?:
This is not specially for you Randy but for all of us:
Many time I wrote this about buying an antique restored stove: get as many photos from the restoration job as you can. If you can't or get just a few rare and non concluant photos, start to worry about the restoration job. It's very easy to say that the stove was completly sand blasted, when the paint and dust are on ..............BUT was it really ?
Only and only complete restorations photos can make you shure of the job, from the dis-assembly to the re-assembly operations. If the store guy says it's impossible to send photos from what he did (and probably didn't), you can start asking questions before giving the first $. If they don't trust you why would you trust them?
The only one other method to know how a stove is restored is to restore the stove yourself, plus restoring a stove make you knowing how the stove works and YOU decide if you restore the stove like the day one of the stove or like a lot of scrap restorers do.
Fortunatly some antique stoves stores make good jobs.
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Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: Photog200 On: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:29 pm

nortcan wrote:Very sad to read this Randy.
If your stove was """restored""" like you said, and I believe you it was, how about ""all"" the other ""restored"" stoves in the show room :?:
This is not specially for you Randy but for all of us:
Many time I wrote this about buying an antique restored stove: get as many photos from the restoration job as you can. If you can't or get just a few rare and non concluant photos, start to worry about the restoration job. It's very easy to say that the stove was completly sand blasted, when the paint and dust are on ..............BUT was it really ?
Only and only complete restorations photos can make you shure of the job, from the dis-assembly to the re-assembly operations. If the store guy says it's impossible to send photos from what he did (and probably didn't), you can start asking questions before giving the first $. If they don't trust you why would you trust them?
The only one other method to know how a stove is restored is to restore the stove yourself, plus restoring a stove make you knowing how the stove works and YOU decide if you restore the stove like the day one of the stove or like a lot of scrap restorers do.
Fortunatly some antique stoves stores make good jobs.

Thanks for your post Pierre, you are probably correct about the photos. The photos posted here so far are the only ones I received from them. But never the less, I will probably tear it down in a year or so and then I will make sure it is as I like it. For now it seems to be operating VERY well. I am very happy with the stove in that aspect. It will be a good stove going forward and I will get it back in shape...like you said when you tear it down, you know just how the stove works! We have another cold spell coming so I will get to see how it operates at a higher temperature before I shut it down for the season.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Baseburner on the way at last...Kineo stove from Maine

PostBy: EarlH On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:51 am

WOW, that's such a mess down in those things too if it isn't cleaned out. That Favorite stove of mine had a dead rat in there, bird feathers, half burnt magazines from the 60's, copenhagen cans, and a lot of mud. It was a real mess under there. On the bright side, the grate shaker and crank got dropped down in there as well! So it wasn't all bad. It would have really stunk the place up if I would have put a fire in it that way. I would have taken mine all apart anyway, but since my baseplate needed some repair work, there was no choice in the matter. It's too bad, but it sounds like they had some problems with the guy so they let him go. So many people have no plans of ever putting a fire in an old stove so thier idea of "restored" is just to make it look nice as a magazine holder for the front room. The Bryant folks are very nice, and I'll bet they are looking over all thier stoves now to make sure this one doesn't happen again....
It sounds like you are pretty happy with the stove otherwise, and that's the main thing. Not that you want to take it apart and put it back together right away, but it's not a terrible job. Sometimes the order they go back together in isn't obvious, but you'll get it figured out. Good luck with it now, Earl. It's a nice looking stove!
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