Vigilant Stove Help

Re: Vigilant Stove Help

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:40 pm

That's Nortcan's FrankenVig. He modified it to meet his requirements. It started out as the same model but morphed into something quite different internally.

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Casting Vigilant II 2310
Other Heating: #2 Oil Furnace

Re: Vigilant Stove Help

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:50 pm

I love the grate system! :P I wish I could tell you this stove was another fine design from the Guru they had their named Charlie (im sure its a great stove and i have to bite my tongue now before I explain how & why this coal stove came to be and the way in which this company handled themselves), Charlie and some other folks at VC did some wonderful things and have translated those things into the industry that still stand today (as did many folks who built their rep's on Coal Burning). I just cant stand here and agree that VC or its owners were American Heroes.... Charlie was

I guess in closing I will simply say that I should feel flattered and proud that a company as large as this would think so well of the work and minds of the Guru's of the day that they invested the time, money and resourses to attempt to mimic them.
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Re: Vigilant Stove Help

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:15 am

....and to the victor go the spoils..
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

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Re: Vigilant Stove Help

PostBy: DoubleD On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:24 am

Thanks for your replies everyone!
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Re: Vigilant Stove Help

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:34 am

michaelanthony wrote:....and to the victor go the spoils..


Ouch...few words with a very large impact :cry2:

Thats Ok my family went through their hardest years back in 1990 so the tears are gone now but dont fool yourself into thinking its VC's founders who were kind people or who saved their butts and dont think they did not go broke as well, I frankly dont know CFM or what happened here http://www.epinions.com/content_5195079812?sb=1 but I can think of a lot of many other Stove Companies I'd spend my $$$ on before giving it to VC (or rather the "big show" as many of us called them).

Edit: In searching for the "meat & potatoes" of VC i came accross this article worth a read http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.ph ... gs_History

GOT IT: Charlie Page was the man with vision, morals, kindness, quality and the building block was the Defiant (though never got credit for it), come to find out he went to a lil' company called Harmon (wonder how that lil' start up made out?) http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.ph ... arlie_Page :D

again Im sorry for not simply biting my tongue, I need to learn to simply say nothing sometimes. :(
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Re: Vigilant Stove Help

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:27 am

Why all the sour grapes? That story is a sad one but also from 2008. VC is still afloat though not the same company by a long shot as the original.

They got to be "the big show" because they were more innovative and had better designs than the competition. They didn't just sell stoves but also sold an ideal and way of life that had its roots in early America. They sold freedom and independence from the greedy Arab oil producers and did it with a healthy dose of nostalgia reflected in their designs. How well they did it is proven by the fact the name and classic designs still have value while most other makers are long gone.

When the price of oil came down all the stove manufacturers were hurt and most went out of business as more people stopped burning wood and coal.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
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Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Vigilant Stove Help

PostBy: nortcan On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:10 pm

And I remember one time we (the VC custommers) were receiving a VC magasine talking about many interesting points on stoves. Many general articles from happy custommers and new products, news about stove products like wood storage boxes...and custommers were feeling just like part of a great family. NO OTHER stove makers had a so big fascination from custommners.
I went a few times to Randolf Vt sales/showroom and it was always a pleasure to get there.
A small new company, owned by 2 brother in law guys having a so big and fast succes is an other ""succes story"", but they grew so fast and big that many organization problems came on with the time. One of the co-founders died changing a lot on the administrations side. A lot of world-wide things also changed for many other entreprises.
One time Ford was a premiunm cars company. Years later they almost went to bankrupt and products were so-so. Now they still there and make lots of improvements on their vehicules all around the world with great succes. We can still talk about the dark periods or about the new positive one :!:
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Re: Vigilant Stove Help

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:11 am

dcrane wrote:
michaelanthony wrote:....and to the victor go the spoils..


Ouch...few words with a very large impact :cry2:

Thats Ok my family went through their hardest years back in 1990 so the tears are gone now but dont fool yourself into thinking its VC's founders who were kind people or who saved their butts and dont think they did not go broke as well, I frankly dont know CFM or what happened here http://www.epinions.com/content_5195079812?sb=1 but I can think of a lot of many other Stove Companies I'd spend my $$$ on before giving it to VC (or rather the "big show" as many of us called them).

Edit: In searching for the "meat & potatoes" of VC i came accross this article worth a read http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.ph ... gs_History

GOT IT: Charlie Page was the man with vision, morals, kindness, quality and the building block was the Defiant (though never got credit for it), come to find out he went to a lil' company called Harmon (wonder how that lil' start up made out?) http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.ph ... arlie_Page :D

again Im sorry for not simply biting my tongue, I need to learn to simply say nothing sometimes. :(

My point being that vc was able to create a fan base or as you seem to imply "take advantage of both customers and employee's" and made millions and through their battles have come out the other end. Whether or not they were less than fair in their dealings is not relevant to many that find there products appealing. I understand that Henry Ford was a dick and his brother couldn't stand him and started a company call Kingsford ( charcoal ) and the irony is Henry WAS king! I am not familiar with the in's and out's of why your family business is no longer and have apathy and understanding with you frustration, but don't take it personally when someone says they like boston baked beans with fiddleheads!
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

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