torrefied wood.

torrefied wood.

PostBy: Don On: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:05 am

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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:31 am

I hate to constantly be negative,but....... I sat in public forums and heard all the hype put out in the papers etc. when they built the biomass plant in Jonesboro, Maine. There were so many promises made it was ridiculous. It was supposed to use the "junk" wood and limbs and etc. They were even going to take in junk wood and such that the public trucked in by having a chipper on site. That lasted until they opened the doors and started burning with their fancy euro design boiler. Now they have stripped my home county down to a parking lot as they feed the environmental morons down in Mass, NY, etc. who think they are saving the planet by using green energy. Mental midgets.
How do you infuse the carbon with more carbon? Where does the extra carbon come from? The bottoms of trees are more what? The limbs and waste are considered "slash" and are what helps the next crop. When you remove everything from a garden, you must put something back to grow next years crop. what makes anyone think the forest is any different? As soil types change it promotes different types of trees or plants to grow, usually undesirable types. The soil is already so poor in Maine that it is a joke. The bedrock is an average of only a couple of feet down in Washington County and I dont think most of Maine is much different. My grandfather/fathers generation saw the transition from Pine and Hemlock to Spruce and FIr, I have seen the transition from from Spruce and Fir to White Birch, Red Maple, and some Red Oak. Yes some places are regenerating into Spruce and Fir forests, but they were hard to access historically and have not been stripped many times over. Now with new equipment and a 30 year cycle for maximum biomass/acre, they will be degraded also.
We shall see......

Kevin
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:51 am

Sounds to me a lot like using diesel to run farm equipment to plant and harvest corn , Then squeeze the corn to make more diesel or ferment it to make ethanol. Negative energy scenario ! Are they gonna burn coal to make the electricity to run the microwave? Enviromorons..... :roll:
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:16 am

The funny part is when they are done, it's going to get shipped to the UK. :)
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:06 am



Hi Don, I have been following this since conception and remain optimistic. There have been other company's that came to the area and sweet talked town officials in order to steal some money from them but this is actually happening. I live about 150 yards from the once operating mill gate and look forward to this technology coming. I am holding my breath and actually hoping this product could be available for U.S. consumers. I have read that torefied wood is mixed with coal and burns as well, interesting! Mike.
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:04 am

That's a funny name for charcoal pellets. How do you infuse carbon into something and where does the carbon come from?
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:38 am

franco b wrote:That's a funny name for charcoal pellets. How do you infuse carbon into something and where does the carbon come from?


From what I have read the process involves heating the wood to a specified temp and removing volatiles similar to gasification and using that product to continually heat the wood chips and microwaving that product thus enhancing the molecular format to achieve proper burn. My 2 cents, need more coffee to investigate further :)
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:53 am

Guys, you need to keep life pure and simple. Angus Burgers, my XXX or in a pinch Duval, pure Anthracite and ExLax. You are making things too complex.
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: Don On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:40 am

KLook wrote:I hate to constantly be negative,but....... I sat in public forums and heard all the hype put out in the papers etc. when they built the biomass plant in Jonesboro, Maine. There were so many promises made it was ridiculous. It was supposed to use the "junk" wood and limbs and etc. They were even going to take in junk wood and such that the public trucked in by having a chipper on site. That lasted until they opened the doors and started burning with their fancy euro design boiler. Now they have stripped my home county down to a parking lot as they feed the environmental morons down in Mass, NY, etc. who think they are saving the planet by using green energy. Mental midgets.
How do you infuse the carbon with more carbon? Where does the extra carbon come from? The bottoms of trees are more what? The limbs and waste are considered "slash" and are what helps the next crop. When you remove everything from a garden, you must put something back to grow next years crop. what makes anyone think the forest is any different? As soil types change it promotes different types of trees or plants to grow, usually undesirable types. The soil is already so poor in Maine that it is a joke. The bedrock is an average of only a couple of feet down in Washington County and I dont think most of Maine is much different. My grandfather/fathers generation saw the transition from Pine and Hemlock to Spruce and FIr, I have seen the transition from from Spruce and Fir to White Birch, Red Maple, and some Red Oak. Yes some places are regenerating into Spruce and Fir forests, but they were hard to access historically and have not been stripped many times over. Now with new equipment and a 30 year cycle for maximum biomass/acre, they will be degraded also.
We shall see......

Kevin
. I agree I think wool is the solution.
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: Berlin On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:29 am

The extra carbon can come from pulverized coke or anthracite coal. Same place it comes from in all compacted charcoal briquettes sold in this country already.
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PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:09 pm

So...
They are makin' fancy charcoal for power plants...
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:52 pm

So...
They are makin' fancy charcoal for power plants...
Yes, and they are promising to make it out of a waste product. But if you read what I said above, nothing is waste. It fertilizes the next crop if it is the slash. And promises, promises. I have heard them before. They will "announce" that they need higher grade wood to make a high grade pellet. Just after they secure a bunch of taxpayer grant money.

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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:47 pm

franco b wrote:How do you infuse carbon into something and where does the carbon come from?

Same way you make coal. Carbon is the glue that holds all organic molecules together. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_carb ... c_molecule
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PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:43 pm

KLook wrote: Yes, and they are promising to make it out of a waste product. But if you read what I said above, nothing is waste. It fertilizes the next crop if it is the slash. And promises, promises. I have heard them before. They will "announce" that they need higher grade wood to make a high grade pellet. Just after they secure a bunch of taxpayer grant money.

Kevin


True Kevin, Cate Street Capital of Portsmouth N.H. came, saw, and bought 2 paper mills East Millinocket and Millinocket for pennies on the dollar and are operating as Great Northern Paper llc. They received enormous tax breaks and other perks and promised the moon and are starting to back peddle on a promise of developing the Millinocket property and attracting business. They have changed some plans and are starting to demolish building and a couple of the town council members are starting to question it :wtf: Almost comical. Mike
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Re: torrefied wood.

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:42 pm

True Kevin, Cate Street Capital of Portsmouth N.H. came, saw, and bought 2 paper mills East Millinocket and Millinocket for pennies on the dollar and are operating as Great Northern Paper llc. They received enormous tax breaks and other perks and promised the moon and are starting to back peddle on a promise of developing the Millinocket property and attracting business. They have changed some plans and are starting to demolish building and a couple of the town council members are starting to question it :wtf: Almost comical. Mike


Sorry to hear my suspicions are true. I hate always being such a pessimist. But I have seen this before and listened to my elders talk about the past. It is a shame, the Millinocket area could use some good news. However, Millinocket would not exist if not for the paper and logging industry. Realistically, now that they have stripped out all the mature wood and are harvesting on a 30 year cycle, the only thing left for your area is tourism. And people like Roxanne Quimby would like to reduce the population to a minimum to "service" the masses from Mass. etc. National Park. I believe it will happen because the current administration and the people behind them do not believe in private property, especially on the large scale of the owners in Maine. Hell, the owner of KFC owns an entire township in Western Maine called the King and Bartlett township. Private with a gate, same for the Great North Woods group up by the Pittston Farm north of Jackman and Rockwood. As you well know, Roxanne owns a township and a half bordering on Baxter State Park and was put on the National Park board NOT for her good looks. The Maine I knew is gone and will not come back, unless this LIberal onslaught brings us down and it returns to being tough, hardy people, farming and fishing and getting by with their hard work and support of the small communities. I think it would be good if the Interstate stopped at Bangor or Augusta.
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