Maine Hermit Captured

Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: franco b On: Sun May 17, 2015 9:23 am

The greater question is, what impels a person to endure a Maine winter out in the woods? The man himself of course answered the question when he said "I was content". The implications of that will of course be ignored and lost in the jargon of some quack with a PHD after his name. We settle for institutionalized ignorance that can at least supply a label. The metaphysics or first cause of a thing is too scary a place to go.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Sun May 17, 2015 9:52 am

franco b wrote:The greater question is, what impels a person to endure a Maine winter out in the woods? The man himself of course answered the question when he said "I was content". The implications of that will of course be ignored and lost in the jargon of some quack with a PHD after his name. We settle for institutionalized ignorance that can at least supply a label. The metaphysics or first cause of a thing is too scary a place to go.



He was content to enjoy the simple. ..but at the cost of others. ..what lead him there is what many wonder. ...with wonder comes the quacks that try and answer that question as many desire to know.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun May 17, 2015 10:05 am

The part that dismays me the most, is that this common theif and terrorist is being elevated to the status of a 'great man' or 'legend', or whatever you want to call it.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Sun May 17, 2015 10:21 am

SWPaDon wrote:The part that dismays me the most, is that this common theif and terrorist is being elevated to the status of a 'great man' or 'legend', or whatever you want to call it.

Agreed. ..In another section the "Leatherman" was shared....I see similarities in both men. ...outside of the illegal activities of the hermit. ..Both seem to present many of the same attributes
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun May 17, 2015 10:45 am

The only similarity I saw between the North Pond Hermit and the Leatherman was the 'need or want' to be alone.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: franco b On: Sun May 17, 2015 12:55 pm

johnjoseph wrote:He was content to enjoy the simple. ..but at the cost of others


That's an excellent brief summary but still far too complex to understand his behaviour which is what has made him newsworthy. He led a life of privation for decades while scavenging the work of others. He also was not a simpleton since he did exhibit cunning in not being caught sooner. Scavenging or living off the efforts of others is common; our politicians and governments do it quite successfully. They just raise it to a higher art form, but basically it is still theft.

The man said he was "content" and I believe him, but how can we understand what he did if we don't know what content is? Here is a dictionary definition:
in a state of peaceful happiness.
satisfied with a certain level of achievement, good fortune, etc., and not wishing for more.

That's no definition at all since it raises more questions about emotional states that we also do not understand. We know and experience these feelings but not the how and why. For instance; is "content" the presence of something or the absence of something else like anxiety? That immediately raises the question of what is anxiety and does it even apply?

My point is that we are in a similar state of ignorance in the field of human emotion as the ancient Greeks were in the understanding of elements. We need to understand the elemental in behaviour to make sense of it and avoid the detrimental. I don't need to know the elements of water if I am thirsty and want a drink of it, but I do need to know them if I want to make use of one of them. Almost all of modern science and technology would be impossible without elemental understanding.

This mans seeming irrationality is so bizarre that I think it worthwhile to find out the rational reasons. A world in perpetual war might benefit.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun May 17, 2015 2:01 pm

At 19 he was scared of what he saw going on around him & made a conscious choice to separate himself from it all & had no desire in his 30 yrs out there to recommit to the insanity of it all. Fear is a great motivator. Who knows his mental state back when. Fight or flight. Just thinkin out loud ;)
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: cokehead On: Sun May 17, 2015 2:09 pm

Maybe I'm just a simpleton but I look at the stories of the North Pond Hermit, the Leatherman, and the abduction of Peggy Ann Bradnick as examples of people with troubled minds that do strange or criminal things. I'm not elevating their behavior but am trying to understand it and in the end love and forgiveness is what we all need to learn. We need to forgive others for our own peace of mind. If we hold on to the anger we are damaging ourselves. If you have been wronged that can seem almost impossible, but it isn't. Peggy Ann did it. Condemnation alone of troubled minds doesn't heal them. The downward spiral can only be reversed with love.

This is Peggy Ann's story if you missed it. Eight Days at Sha-De Gap
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun May 17, 2015 10:23 pm

freetown fred wrote:At 19 he was scared of what he saw going on around him & made a conscious choice to separate himself from it all & had no desire in his 30 yrs out there to recommit to the insanity of it all. Fear is a great motivator. Who knows his mental state back when. Fight or flight. Just thinkin out loud ;)

I understanad where you are coming from.

And I am not going to try to get into the 'North Pond Hermit's mind'.

What I will say, is that anyone who attempts to 'immortalize him' needs to be investigated immediately, because they also have psychological problems.

And I don't give a rat's behind who you think you are, or where you think you are coming from.........I WILL stand by my statement, till there is nothing left to you. Cause I been thru this! Until you walk up the sidewalk to your freakin house, and you find your f'n toothbrush layin on the sidewalk..........

No offense is meant to anyone with my statement, especially you Freetown Fred, but you and everyone must realize that this guy was nothing more than your common criminal, a thief. Just because he didn't steal your stuff, don't make it different !!!!!!

THIEF: a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun May 17, 2015 10:51 pm

cokehead wrote:Maybe I'm just a simpleton but I look at the stories of the North Pond Hermit, the Leatherman, and the abduction of Peggy Ann Bradnick as examples of people with troubled minds that do strange or criminal things. I'm not elevating their behavior but am trying to understand it and in the end love and forgiveness is what we all need to learn. We need to forgive others for our own peace of mind. If we hold on to the anger we are damaging ourselves. If you have been wronged that can seem almost impossible, but it isn't. Peggy Ann did it. Condemnation alone of troubled minds doesn't heal them. The downward spiral can only be reversed with love.

This is Peggy Ann's story if you missed it. Eight Days at Sha-De Gap

I understand where you are coming from also.

But here is more of my story.

While it may not be as involed as Peggy Ann's story, what it did do to me is stop me from trusting anyone (and that includes you, and you can take that personal if you wish), and caused me to question everything. It also caused me to stop making my own fishing lures...........while that may seem inconsequential to you, I caught a record Largemouth Bass on my homemade lures. I also almost landed (I know a fish story), a record Channel Cat due to my lures that were stolen.

I'm upset right now over this immortalization attempt over the 'North Pond Hermit', so I'm gonna let it go for now!

But if anyone on this forum feels froggy, feel free to post is FSC, where I can be more candid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun May 17, 2015 11:24 pm

I posted this topic in FSC.

I'm there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to those who don't know, It's called 'Flame Suit Central'. Rules for the forum are posted, and you must request to be admitted.

I welcome all comments on this discussion.

Be Prepared
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Tue May 19, 2015 12:38 am

Well, he probably has access to TV now....what show would you think he might like? Or movie?

And what TV shows/movies should he stay away from watching?

Be separated from normal society that long....$$ did not mean anything to him, did not need it.

His thieving is something ... but its up to his victims if they want to pursue this aspect of it.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Tue May 19, 2015 7:00 am

davidmcbeth3 wrote:Well, he probably has access to TV now....what show would you think he might like? Or movie?

And what TV shows/movies should he stay away from watching?

Be separated from normal society that long....$$ did not mean anything to him, did not need it.

His thieving is something ... but its up to his victims if they want to pursue this aspect of it.

What could the victims 'legally' pursue? Most of the crimes have long past any statute of limitations.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Tue May 19, 2015 11:14 am

Who's really crazy here?

Is it us that attempt to make a living, pretending that survival is quantified by how many credit cards we have, or is it the Maine Hermit that coveted his freedom and seclusion above all else.
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Re: Maine Hermit Captured

PostBy: franco b On: Tue May 19, 2015 3:41 pm

He was still living off the labor of others by stealing.
I don't think he had much freedom in a Maine winter other than to freeze to death with a few feet of snow all around him.

There is a sense of wonder about him for keeping it up for 27 years, but the wonder is how can someone be that idiotic?
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