Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:43 am

I'm On Fire wrote:Yay! I am glad the people of Mass can rest easier now. But now we all get to pay for him to stay in a luxury prison and talk to fancy lawyers who will no doubt claim he is innocent. Then we'll get to watch him on TV more as his trial drags on and on and on for years. They'll ban all pressure cookers, nails, ball bearings. You'll need a licence to buy building supplies, bearings for your car. They'll somehow get a gun ban related to the pressure cooker ban. Should've put a bullet in this kid's head.


I tend to agree totally... I dont mind hearing about future cells, conections and what might occur to Chechnya or the groups that may have incited these punks... but I seriously dont want to hear anything further about this 19 year old (lock him up and throw away the key, burn him at the stake, i just dont care).
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:48 am

I just read where the owner of the house with the boat in which the kid was hiding came out only moments after the "stay in your house" order was lifted, and that's when he noticed blood on the outside of his boat. He then lifted the cover and saw a man inside and lying in a pool of his own blood. He then went in and called the police. This makes me wonder why soon after we heard a short burst of hundreds of rounds, followed a bit later by 10-15 concussion grenades. Sounds like he was already down for the count when the homeowner leaned over and looked right at him lying in his boat. If those rounds were actually aimed at the boat I doubt he would have emerged alive. Was there a bit of dramatic showboating for the cameras going on here?
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:27 am

lsayre wrote:I just read where the owner of the house with the boat in which the kid was hiding came out only moments after the "stay in your house" order was lifted, and that's when he noticed blood on the outside of his boat. He then lifted the cover and saw a man inside and lying in a pool of his own blood. He then went in and called the police. This makes me wonder why soon after we heard a short burst of hundreds of rounds, followed a bit later by 10-15 concussion grenades. Sounds like he was already down for the count when the homeowner leaned over and looked right at him lying in his boat. If those rounds were actually aimed at the boat I doubt he would have emerged alive. Was there a bit of dramatic showboating for the cameras going on here?



I believe the short burst was from the suspect in the boat. He had the gun from the officer that was shot earlier in the day. I am curious to hear why they carried out this attack.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:33 am

Flyer5 wrote:I believe the short burst was from the suspect in the boat. He had the gun from the officer that was shot earlier in the day. I am curious to hear why they carried out this attack.


Ah, that makes sense! The homeowner is lucky to be alive in that case. I hope the kid spills the beans on the entire supporting cell. I hope they don't grant him any level of immunity in return for his testimony.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:08 am

lsayre wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:I believe the short burst was from the suspect in the boat. He had the gun from the officer that was shot earlier in the day. I am curious to hear why they carried out this attack.


Ah, that makes sense! The homeowner is lucky to be alive in that case. I hope the kid spills the beans on the entire supporting cell. I hope they don't grant him any level of immunity in return for his testimony.



I think the 19yr old was following his older brother. He may not have been the aggressor. He also has a hostage for 1/2 hr and let him live with no harm. He still deserves to die because at 19 he should know better.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: 331camaro On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:13 am

torture him, find out why, and who else is apart of this extremest group then burry him alive
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:25 am

Pacowy wrote:
coalkirk wrote:
SMITTY wrote:Now that this is over .... does anyone see what I see?

An entire city ... WAIT - SEVERAL cities, completely locked down ..... just for ONE guy. NOT a good image to project to terrorists in the world. Makes us look pretty weak.

Sadly, my gut tells me this attack was only the beginning ...

Hope I'm wrong.


Yes. I also see a good reason for citizens to have assault weapons. And of course we are going to have to outlaw assualy pressure cookers.
Great job by fed and local leos.


Sorry but I don't really see the "image" problem. This incident was carried out by people who apparently believed they wouldn't get caught, and were planning to do more. A little over 4 days later and they get a completely different outcome. Time missed at work can be made up; sporting events can be rescheduled; heck, Bill O'Reilly was advising people to plan to vacation in Boston. I'd take the lockdown any day to get the outcome that was achieved.

And I don't really want to get into the gun debate, but I don't see how this incident can be appropriated to argue in favor of assault weapons for civilians. Assault weapons wouldn't have prevented the bombings, and AFAIK there weren't any civilian casualties after that, so I don't really see the connection. It's hard to see how the job done by law enforcement personnel could have been done more effectively (though obviously it would have been best if there had been no casualties). Having civilians using assault weapons in a semi-urban environment outside the tactical decisions and chain-of-command of law enforcement seems like a recipe for creating problems that did not arise here. I'm not trying to generalize this to every hypothetical scenario - I'm just saying it doesn't seem to follow from what actually happened here.

Mike


Well I'll make it real simple for you. If you have well armed men who also happen to be carrying explosives running loose in your neighborhood, I would want to be able to reach out and touch someone. That guy could have just as easily broken into someones home to hide as to hide in a boat.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:18 am

Don't laugh guys - MA will probably regulate the sale of pressure cookers from here on out. How do I know this? The wife & I are in the market for one. To CAN TOMATOES in. :roll: Will be just my luck ....


Walmart.com had mine here in 2 days. 23 quart, pressure gauge, etc. and 12 jars for $80. I did 6 jars of rabbit meat a few weekends ago, had a hiccup the first time through but the second time they all sealed up nice. Made by Presto. Have 6 more rabbits to be canned, maybe tomorrow depending on how cold it is. Right now it is 37 with a wind chill of probably 25 and I am running my coal stove on April 20th... :mad:

I agree with others. An act of war on our country disserves no remorse, no mercy, no sympathy. 19 or not, he is a coward and a waste of the very air he breathes. Use him until you get all the info you need, then bleed him out. Simple. Going to a federal prison will just use more tax dollars and he will be a martyr and a hero in a lot of sicko's eyes.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:26 am

Miranda rights will not be presented (read) to the suspect. Public safety exception to be invoked. What is that all about?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 20333.html
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:32 am

Flyer5 wrote:
.... I am curious to hear why they carried out this attack.

They were both involved with islam. In Chechnya no less - the WORST terrorist hotbed on the planet. That pretty much explains everything.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:43 pm

coalkirk wrote: Well I'll make it real simple for you. If you have well armed men who also happen to be carrying explosives running loose in your neighborhood, I would want to be able to reach out and touch someone. That guy could have just as easily broken into someones home to hide as to hide in a boat.


And like I said, you are making it a hypothetical scenario instead of what actually happened. One wounded guy made it away from the car chase and attempted to hide in backyards in an area blanketed with law enforcement personnel. Any homeowner could have defended themselves with lethal force if the guy had tried to break in. (And yes they could have, even in MA - that was covered in another thread.) If terrorists roamed around in armed groups doing home invasions with no law enforcement, you'd have a more reasonable argument, but again, that's not what happened. I'm pretty sure the 1M people who were on lockdown own plenty of firearms, and this incident thankfully was resolved without any of them needing to be used. Using this incident to promote assault weapons for civilians sounds more like fearmongering than a reasonable response to what actually happened.

Mike
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:39 pm

We don't have to use this incident or at least should not have to. The 2nd amendment already does that for us. And even the senate agreed.
I had issue with the 4th amendment being suspended. There were people that more or less refused a search of their home and it was done anyway. That is exactly why I defend the 2nd. :mad:
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:41 pm

While this whole thing was going on I heard nothing about anyone's rights being taken away & people demanding that they could walk around as they please, why weren't all these gun owners sitting out on their front porches holding their rifles like it's their right to do? Smart people will & did listen to the law & worried more about getting shot & letting those trained officers do their job & even cheered afterwards. Now that it's over all the brave souls are once again brave, it's a different story when bullets can come back at them & then they perhaps smarter than brave.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:45 pm

Flyer5 wrote:We don't have to use this incident or at least should not have to. The 2nd amendment already does that for us. And even the senate agreed.
I had issue with the 4th amendment being suspended. There were people that more or less refused a search of their home and it was done anyway. That is exactly why I defend the 2nd. :mad:


When National security is "shouted"... they dont need warrents, they dont need to read rights, they dont need to do anything but whatever they wish :lol:
The key is... if ever anything was seen, found or addressed that had nothing to do with National Security it would be tossed!
"Ohhh jeee, is that a meth lab ya got goin' their sir...nice equipments ya got their?" ...they must look the other way when instituting a National Security Law to search for a terrorist :cry:
(of course we all know in the real world, if something was seen/caught they would take actions somehow im sure).
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:02 pm

Have you seen the "inside the ambulance" photos of the 19 year old suspect? He is said to be just barely alive. Was too weak to resist arrest when they finally went in and got him out of the boat. Current condition is unknown.
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