Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

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PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:06 pm

lsayre wrote:Have you seen the ambulance photos of the 19 year old suspect? He is said to be just barely alive. Was too weak to resist arrest when they finally went in and got him out of the boat.


yeaa. dozen or so flash bangs next to your head would indeed put you out for sure :lol:
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:54 pm

Flyer5 wrote:There were people that more or less refused a search of their home and it was done anyway. That is exactly why I defend the 2nd. :mad:


We know a number of people in the lockdown area and have heard of no such incidents, and likewise have not seen any in the local press. Is there a credible source for this assertion?

I don't know what the rules are for "hot pursuit" of suspects, and I hope never to be in a position of needing to know. That said, your quote reads as though you would consider using firearms to, for example, repel somebody with an FBI vest who ran through your yard without your permission trying to apprehend a fleeing armed terrorist. I'm not saying you would actually do that, but that kind of rhetoric seems misplaced here. AFAIK none of the gun owners among the 1M people on lockdown felt the need to turn their weapons on law enforcement personnel.

Mike
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:43 pm

Glen Beck claims that he is about to reveal some major news. Check this out:

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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:13 pm

Per this source the 19 year old ran over his older brother and killed him with a hijacked SUV as the police were in the act of arresting and handcuffing the older brother. The police were able to dive out of the way of the SUV.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ama ... 18135.html
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:55 pm

I could tell Glenn had some inside info from watching his show Thursday. He was holding back, wanting to say something, but wouldn't. Guess everything has now been confirmed. I've never seen him like this before.

Must be everything I suspected - our president is lying to the American people, and letting a terrorist as bad as bin laden walk away scot free after killing and maiming our people. That would explain the schizophrenic news reports we kept getting from the mainstream media ....
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:59 pm

Oh, and here's our wonderful governor at work .... :mad:

http://www.viralread.com/2013/04/17/gov ... rs-morgan/
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:17 pm

Pacowy wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:There were people that more or less refused a search of their home and it was done anyway. That is exactly why I defend the 2nd. :mad:


We know a number of people in the lockdown area and have heard of no such incidents, and likewise have not seen any in the local press. Is there a credible source for this assertion?

I don't know what the rules are for "hot pursuit" of suspects, and I hope never to be in a position of needing to know. That said, your quote reads as though you would consider using firearms to, for example, repel somebody with an FBI vest who ran through your yard without your permission trying to apprehend a fleeing armed terrorist. I'm not saying you would actually do that, but that kind of rhetoric seems misplaced here. AFAIK none of the gun owners among the 1M people on lockdown felt the need to turn their weapons on law enforcement personnel.

Mike


Hot pursuit means you follow a suspect with a visual into a dwelling. This was not the case. You could assume all you want I guess about what I would do. I have read reports and don't really feel the need to prove it. If you are happy with a bunch of officers pulling you from your home and running around inside with no warrant you are free to do so. That is your prerogative. As far as running through my property I would have no issue. My home with my family present I would not give permission, but would not stand in their way either. I would not use force, but I would have to rely on the courts afterwards. With everything going on with the terrorist running loose in the neighborhood. I would suspect most gun owners had their arms very ready. I know I would. The terrorist no longer had a element of total surprise and if he were to enter a dwelling of a gun owner he would have most likely met his maker quickly. Don't misunderstand me I have a very high respect for police officers and the law and the job they need to do. But the constitution is put in place for a reason. And from what I saw the constitution was stepped all over and trampled.

Oh here is one. http://www.local10.com/news/Watertown-m ... index.html
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:27 am

Thanks for that link. It's the only one like that I've seen so far. I agree they should normally be knocking and obtaining consent - if for no other reason than they might provoke a needless confrontation with an armed homeowner. The protocol I heard broadcast was for doors to be secured and not opened unless there was a request from uniformed law enforcement personnel. If law enforcement personnel encounter a door that isn't been secured, under normal circumstances that's not an invitation to enter; under these circumstances, it seems like more of a gray area (since it could indicate that the subject had already gained entrance to the premises). There also were several times during that day when law enforcement personnel moved rapidly to specific locations within the secured neighborhood, apparently on the belief that the subject was there. If there was a good faith element of hot pursuit, I can imagine that there might have been a few intrusions.

I remain unaware of any evidence that there was any pattern of improper intrusions that were made contrary to the wishes of homeowners. I agree that any controversy over an improper intrusion should be handled in court, rather than with firearms. I'm certainly not in favor of trampling the constitution (though I don't think the rights it conveys are always as absolute as people sometimes assume or assert).

I hope this dialogue has promoted both a clarification of the underlying interests of gun owners, and tolerance of the reasonable needs of law enforcement personnel in the type of extraordinary circumstances we've just experienced.

Mike
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:13 am

Sorry guys it's all fake just like 911, I don't believe a word of it.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/04/19/w ... nce-video/
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:11 am

coalnewbie wrote:Sorry guys it's all fake just like 911, I don't believe a word of it.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/04/19/w ... nce-video/


There are certainly loads of inconsistencies surrounding this major tragedy, and we will likely never get the complete and honest truth told to us by our government. We will get a good story, but not the real story.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Paulie On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:27 am

The investigation continues, all lose ends will be followed/hunted. As far as the terrorist goes, his fate is sealed, make no mistake. Who ever helped them in anyway will be taken down. Political grand standing aside, all levels of government performed
well and got the job done. The lock down was no worse than a good snow storm, we know how to do that! Proud to be from Mass,
and prouder still to be an American. The message is clear to anyone who wishes this country harm.....Pay Back will be swift, brutal
and with out remorse- F with us and die.May God continue to bless America, home of the free.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:44 am

At least one guy gets it.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/20/how_bos ... 1_bargain/

How Boston exposes America’s dark post-9/11 bargain

Why did this story drive the whole country nuts? Because we traded rights for "security," and didn't get either


And for the record, I don't agree with this guy's politics but his theory is sound.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:54 am

jpete wrote:At least one guy gets it.


His assessment is tainted throughout by his leftist perspective for sure, but in the end he nails it with this:

We surrendered our rights to a government of war criminals, who promised us certainty and security in a world that offers none. We should have known better, and in fact we did. At the literal birth moment of American democracy, Benjamin Franklin summed it up in a single sentence: “Those who would give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:03 am

Paulie wrote:The investigation continues, all lose ends will be followed/hunted.


And Oswald killed JFK.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:13 pm

This is the stuff I was referring to. If this doesn't look wrong I don't have words.

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