Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

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PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:28 pm

dcrane wrote: I know you will all say "but what about the innocent woman and children and citizens of these places"... the answer is... they are ALL equally coop able because they allow their Gov. to do what they do


That's the same philosophy as Al Quaeda.

Congrats.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:30 pm

Pacowy wrote: The country I grew up in is long gone.

Mike


And why is that? Because no one spoke up when it mattered?
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PostBy: Pacowy On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:36 pm

jpete wrote:
dcrane wrote: I know you will all say "but what about the innocent woman and children and citizens of these places"... the answer is... they are ALL equally coop able because they allow their Gov. to do what they do


That's the same philosophy as Al Quaeda.

Congrats.


Wow I'm going to surprise myself by signing up with Jeff on this. Even the organization of Chechen terrorists disavows actions against children. Let's try to keep some element of civilization and humanity in the way we conduct ourselves.

Mike
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:13 pm

jpete wrote:
Pacowy wrote: The country I grew up in is long gone.

Mike


And why is that? Because no one spoke up when it mattered?


To me most of it flows from changes in the way we interact with the rest of the world. The country I grew up in was a strong world economic power, but part of that rested on the destruction of the industrial capacities of other countries and the time they needed to recover from WW II. We got into bad habits, including relying on dirt cheap petroleum from the Middle East. I don't need to rehash the cultural, military and terrorist clashes we've experienced from that.

The country I grew up in faced the very real threat of World War III. Relations among the superpowers are now much more stable, but China has morphed into an economic superpower, so we face tougher competition.

I think even the definition of the "rest of the world" has changed - with multinational corporations, it's not us against them, it's us asking "hey why are you outsourcing our jobs"?

With the advancement of the internet and social media, I think there is greater accountability in gov't than once was the case. I'm not a fan of some of the changes that have been made in the name of "security", but I think they stem at least in part from the problems that arise from the "smaller world" we now live in. I'm leery of information-gathering on American citizens, but am at least as concerned with Google and social networks as with Big Brother govt programs.

So, to summarize, some is good, some is bad, but not much, if any, relates to people not speaking up or changes that originate from bad government.

There, that should be enough chum for a whole bunch of sharks. Have at it!

Mike
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:41 pm

In theory, I have NO concern with Google et al.

Google can't throw me in prison.

Unless of course, Google is working hand in hand with the government and then there's a problem. Some might call that "fascism" and we don't live in a fascist country, do we? :D
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:43 pm

Now that I have though about it a little. Here is where I think my issue with this is. I have always felt it was my duty and my responsibility to keep my family and myself safe first. The government should only be there for our boarders and over sea interests only. Local LEO's are there to do what they can after the fact. Or if I fail to do my job well. The way I figure it is if the authorities came to my door asking to do a non warranted search it would be unnecessary, Because if someone uninvited were in my home them or me would be in a bad place. Especially since everyone was well aware of some lunatic running loose it would probably not be me, element of surprise would not really exist. There would be 30rd mags and rifles of type at the ready. So my response would have to be respectfully, no thank you I am good have a great day sirs and stay safe. Again this is my personal view. But I really value my rights and like to not give much if any away.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:49 pm

Pacowy wrote:
jpete wrote:
Pacowy wrote: The country I grew up in is long gone.

Mike


And why is that? Because no one spoke up when it mattered?


To me most of it flows from changes in the way we interact with the rest of the world. The country I grew up in was a strong world economic power, but part of that rested on the destruction of the industrial capacities of other countries and the time they needed to recover from WW II. We got into bad habits, including relying on dirt cheap petroleum from the Middle East. I don't need to rehash the cultural, military and terrorist clashes we've experienced from that.

The country I grew up in faced the very real threat of World War III. Relations among the superpowers are now much more stable, but China has morphed into an economic superpower, so we face tougher competition.

I think even the definition of the "rest of the world" has changed - with multinational corporations, it's not us against them, it's us asking "hey why are you outsourcing our jobs"?

With the advancement of the internet and social media, I think there is greater accountability in gov't than once was the case. I'm not a fan of some of the changes that have been made in the name of "security", but I think they stem at least in part from the problems that arise from the "smaller world" we now live in. I'm leery of information-gathering on American citizens, but am at least as concerned with Google and social networks as with Big Brother govt programs.

So, to summarize, some is good, some is bad, but not much, if any, relates to people not speaking up or changes that originate from bad government.

There, that should be enough chum for a whole bunch of sharks. Have at it!

Mike



No attacks from me here. Except lately I am not as sure as I was 5 or 10 yrs ago about how stable we are against all out war. We are not there yet but we need to do things differently to avoid it.
Other than that. :cheers:
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:50 pm

Does anyone know if Glen Beck went ahead and gave his speech on the Saudi National? If so, is there a link, or can you provide a brief summary?
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:08 pm

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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:51 pm

well i dont mean to target residencial area's but lets face it...even though we targeted military, telcom, fuel, power & media it goes without saying if you think innocents were not hurt your sadly mistaken :(
If we "light a place up" (so to speak) its going to happen. At this point it may very well be our fault for this hatred towards USA because we did things many of us disagree with for decades (like trying to police the world), but we cant fix that at this point and this constant terrorism is about the only thing they can do to attack us. anyone who's been to the middle east during this war time knows how deep this hatred is implanted their and the only solution I see is sending these key hotspots back 100 years... again, i am sorry for my opinion but im tired of our troups being their and im biased from watching to many friends hurt and some who never got to come home :(
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:14 pm

dcrane wrote: but we cant fix that at this point


We could stop doing all the stuff that pissed them off.

It's so crazy, it just might work!
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:24 pm

jpete wrote:
dcrane wrote: but we cant fix that at this point


We could stop doing all the stuff that pissed them off.

It's so crazy, it just might work!


that wont work im sorry to say, we should try anyways to gtfo over their... but its in their blood for to many decades and the young have it built into their very being. Nope... only solution I see is sending the hotbeds back 100 years to make them focas on infrustructure, water, food instead of terrorist attacks on us.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:31 pm

jpete wrote:
dcrane wrote: but we cant fix that at this point


We could stop doing all the stuff that pissed them off.

It's so crazy, it just might work!


Whoa, I'm agreeing with Jeff twice in the same day. :lol:

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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:42 pm

dcrane wrote:
jpete wrote:
dcrane wrote: but we cant fix that at this point


We could stop doing all the stuff that pissed them off.

It's so crazy, it just might work!


that wont work im sorry to say, we should try anyways to gtfo over their... but its in their blood for to many decades and the young have it built into their very being. Nope... only solution I see is sending the hotbeds back 100 years to make them focas on infrustructure, water, food instead of terrorist attacks on us.


So the solution to the problems caused by "policing the world" is doing MORE of the things that caused the problem?!

If that real estate thing doesn't work out, you have a brilliant career in government! :D
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:44 pm

If we were to do that, we would have to give up what we love: FREEDOM. They hate us because they are not like us. These same ass clowns that mastermind this stuff would give their own arm to live the American Dream. They cant stand it, so they do what they can, and sucker punch us from the back of the crowd. Typical cowardly behavior. That is what is so strange about these 2, they were living the American Dream, so-to-speak, with the potential to have money, fame, fortune, and something snapped in them that made them think differently. No need to speak about what that was, as we all know: Radical Muslim Religion. If you don't think religion will make people do crazy things think no farther then Waco Texas, Jonestown, etc. Radical Muslims are a cult. period. They teach hate and destruction of the Western World.

IMO, meet violence with violence. Turn every country that wishes to mess with us into a parking lot. Nothing stops foreign attacks like turning their country into an American Territory...
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