Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

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PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:07 pm

lsayre wrote:I think the onus is on the government to inform us as to why this particular Saudi national had the terrorist rating that Glen Beck uncovered (or if this is mis-information on the part of Glen Beck), in addition to why he was at the Marathon scene, and why they subsequently deported him (since he was in posession of a valid visa, which brings up more questions for which they should be providing answers). The government is our servant, not the other way around. Glen Beck can only do so much to reveal what is going on behind the scenes. It's not like the government is aiding his efforts here.


So the answer to my question seems to be that there is no theory or evidence that this individual had anything to do with the bombings - not carrying any devices, no signals to the bombers, didn't drop a receipt from Walmart for pressure cookers - nothing.

I'm not sure from where in the Constitution you think the government is supposed to spend its time "aiding" Glenn Beck or any other alleged journalist. There is a Freedom of Information Act process for requesting information about almost anything you like, but your guy seems to prefer media hype to actual substance. In this case a FOIA probably won't go very far, because you're almost certainly talking about a bunch of classified national security info. Again, I don't think Glenn Beck or any other journalist has any basis for declaring open season on confidential national security info. You elect people who get cleared to see and handle confidential national security info, or to get answers from people who do. If you don't like the job they're doing you should vote for someone you like better. What you're asking for would jeopardize all sorts of covert operations, relationships with informants, etc.. Don't get me wrong - if there are legitimate questions they should be asked - but not in a media circus orchestrated to enrich one blowhard.

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PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:00 pm

Been many years since I've been to Ma. but all I hear about from the ones here that live there is how many what they deem as illegals even if most are legal. Wouldn't it stand to reason that perhaps if this guy knew someone or group running that he would be exactly where he was? If he was involved in any way do you really think he would stand there & make sure the remote device works? Under the same document you want to bend & twist to suit your needs that young man has the same rights as everyone else that's here perhaps to get an education, work or any other legal pursuit but because of where he's from many here label him to be a terrorist, many some ought to reread our laws.
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PostBy: jpete On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:11 pm

Pacowy wrote:
I'm not sure from where in the Constitution you think the government is supposed to spend its time "aiding" Glenn Beck or any other alleged journalist.

Mike



This part.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Don't forget who works for whom. ;)
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PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:43 pm

Like the quote says the people ordained and established the Constitution for several purposes, including providing for the common defense. I'm pretty sure Section 8 puts Congress, not Glenn Beck or any other citizen acting individually or in any group, in charge of national defense and commerce with foreign nations. There are several paths through which accountability is maintained, not the least of which is court challenges of laws Congress may pass. As far as I know there are laws that govern releases of confidential national security information and until they are changed we get to live under them.

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PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:53 pm

Perhaps Glen Beck should file an official "Redress of Grievances" request with the Federal Government, as per the 1st Amendment? Then they will certainly have to listen to him. Or not. I don't believe the Government has ever even acknowledged (let alone acted upon) a single Redress of Grievances request within the past 100 years, so they certainly would not respond to this one. Yet another of the Amendments that is useless and proves that the people are mere pawns of the state.
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PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:11 pm

lsayre wrote:Perhaps Glen Beck should file an official "Redress of Grievances" request with the Federal Government, as per the 1st Amendment? Then they will certainly have to listen to him. Or not. I don't believe the Government has ever even acknowledged (let alone acted upon) a Redress of Grievances in the past 100 years, so they certainly would not respond to this one. Yet another of the Amendments that is useless and proves that the people are mere pawns of the state.


I don't think he even has a grievance if he hasn't attempted a FOIA or any process other than flapping his mouth and trying to recruit subscribers. He still hasn't made the most rudimentary case that this person had anything to do with the bombings, and if he can't do that I view his marketing of this as a sleazy scam. If the blood of people in your state were shed and some snake-oil salesman showed up breathlessly claiming to have the answer but actually offering no substance whatsoever, I don't think you'd like it either.

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PostBy: jpete On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:15 pm

The thing is, there IS some "smoke" there.

Janet Napolitano said she wasn't aware of anyone being hustled out of the country and then went on to say he wasn't a person of interest anyway.

How do you know he wasn't a suspect if you weren't aware of his existence?

It doesn't pass the smell test.
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PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:19 pm

Personally I believe that Glen Beck is merely trying to report all of the news. Unlike the MSM, which reports only the government blessed pablum that pawns itself off as news. If you have read my past posts on Glen Beck, you will realize that I'm not generally a big fan or supporter, and I have bashed him on more occasions than not. But he is becoming more honest and open now that he is free to report the news, rather than being beholden to a bunch of powerful advertisers demands and whims, and station managers who stay awake at night trembling in fear of losing or offending advertisers by actually reporting the news. Glen has gone far to free himself from money concerns at this juncture. That he still makes some must be chalked up to a few remaining vestiges of capitalism at work. The corprotocracy machine worked long and hard to crush him.
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PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:08 pm

lsayre wrote:Personally I believe that Glen Beck is merely trying to report all of the news. Unlike the MSM, which reports only the government blessed pablum that pawns itself off as news. If you have read my past posts on Glen Beck, you will realize that I'm not generally a big fan or supporter, and I have bashed him on more occasions than not. But he is becoming more honest and open now that he is free to report the news, rather than being beholden to a bunch of powerful advertisers demands and whims, and station managers who stay awake at night trembling in fear of losing or offending advertisers by actually reporting the news. Glen has gone far to free himself from money concerns at this juncture. That he still makes some must be chalked up to a few remaining vestiges of capitalism at work. The corprotocracy machine worked long and hard to crush him.


If he just reported it, or reported and pursued investigation of it, I'd have no problem with that. His promo claimed that this was going to be the 2nd most important thing since whenever. As it sits, his big scoop, plus $1, gets you a McChicken sandwich at McDonald's.

Walter Cronkite had advertisers and I don't recall that compromising his credibility. Don't overlook the possibility/likelihood that what Beck is doing now is just packaging and selling the conspiracy theories that his subscribers want to hear. It's capitalism, but it doesn't necessarily take you anywhere near the truth.

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PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:54 pm

So where DO we get the truth, Mike? Fox? MSNBS? CNN? Nepacrossroads? I can see that you've bought into the popular image the mainstream media & the left have created about Beck.

Have you ever watched his show? Ever listen to his radio show every morning? Or are you just throwing things out there based on what you've learned from the media? You don't have to subscribe to watch snippets of his show on Youtube or The Blaze ....

I didn't care for him when he was with CNN. Didn't start watching his show until just before he left Fox. I figured I'd watch to see what all the fuss was about. Still didn't think he was all that great ... until he left Fox, and was free to speak his mind. I never realized how media outlets operated. Everyone owes a favor to someone, and the truth gets left in the dust.

I don't have a reputation as a follower. I do what the hell I want, when I want, and listen to who I want, and for MY OWN opinions. My opinion of Beck is he genuinely cares about this country, and is DOING something about it, unlike most of us. Lucky for America, he was put into that position to be able to afford such a thing. If I saw him doing commercials driving a Rolls-Royce, and sunning on the deck of a Yacht with bikini-clad hotties all around him while sucking down $1,000 a bottle booze, then I'd have to agree with you. He practices what he preaches. This is EXACTLY why the left hates him so much. They have NOTHING they can throw in his face, except tired, old clips of him on CNN.


Isayre & Pete get it. It's too bad half of America doesn't. It's no surprise - the obama propaganda machine is second to none in world history. :roll:
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PostBy: Pacowy On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:31 am

I've heard the name but never listened to him until you put some of his stuff on here. I didn't start as a disbeliever or believer, but have been pretty offended by the way he has tried to use the bombings as cover for his self-promotion. It's not the second-biggest story in decades [AND TO SUBSCRIBE NOW, PLEASE CALL THIS NUMBER] to allege that someone was at a public event. He seems to count on his followers to fill in the blanks with conspiracy stuff, but those blanks are too big for me. In this case, he also seems to be trying to pick a fight over something that he can be pretty certain is confidential, so he can make it into yet another supposed conspiracy when it's not released.

No theory, no documents, no genuine effort to get at whatever info might be available, but that doesn't stop him from claiming a connection to a hot issue that might sell subscriptions. You don't see anything lame about that?

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PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:40 am

He has pages and pages of documents! All open to public view. The media just doesn't bother to read any of them. The redacted areas are the most telling ....

Anyway, you COMPLETELY misunderstand him and The Blaze. He was BEGGING the media to take this story! He doesn't want to be the first one or the only one running it. Just goes to show the rest of the media is asleep at the wheel. His goal is to get The Blaze into every household in America. It's easy to say, yeah , sure, so he can get more rich when you don't watch the show. When you have Al-Jazzerra as an option in your cable package, but NOT The Blaze, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with our country. It's not about the money - he actually wants to save the country! Tough to believe in this day and age, I know. He puts every dollar he makes back into the company. With everything he has going on, all the employees in NY and in TX, plus the best ( read: most expensive) health care for them on the planet, there isn't much left to live on. He's got over 100 employees already ... and he's only been doing this 16 months or so. It's growing because people are sick and tired of being lied to, and thirst for the truth.

There's nothing more I can say except subscribe & see what I mean. You can always cancel and get your money back if you don't like it.
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PostBy: Pacowy On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:51 am

SMITTY wrote:He has pages and pages of documents! All open to public view. The media just doesn't bother to read any of them. The redacted areas are the most telling ....

Anyway, you COMPLETELY misunderstand him and The Blaze. He was BEGGING the media to take this story! He doesn't want to be the first one or the only one running it. Just goes to show the rest of the media is asleep at the wheel. His goal is to get The Blaze into every household in America. It's easy to say, yeah , sure, so he can get more rich when you don't watch the show. When you have Al-Jazzerra as an option in your cable package, but NOT The Blaze, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with our country. It's not about the money - he actually wants to save the country! Tough to believe in this day and age, I know. He puts every dollar he makes back into the company. With everything he has going on, all the employees in NY and in TX, plus the best ( read: most expensive) health care for them on the planet, there isn't much left to live on. He's got over 100 employees already ... and he's only been doing this 16 months or so. It's growing because people are sick and tired of being lied to, and thirst for the truth.

There's nothing more I can say except subscribe & see what I mean. You can always cancel and get your money back if you don't like it.


I'd be more inclined to go along if a coherent allegation could be made that is substantiated by something credible. We've been given a reasonably cohesive description of the bombing episode. What are we supposedly missing? What evidence supports that? To me, the fact that nobody else is willing the take this up is consistent with the fact that it has no demonstrated substance. If he has a bunch of employees to sweat the details and all he has is "Take my word that this redacted document says something bad...", I'm not buying. Determining that something is the truth requires evidence.

As far as I know, the House Homeland Security Committee is looking at the allegations (see attached). Did Mr. Beck neglect to mention that?
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If they come up with evidence of a problem, let's go. If they don't come up with anything, I haven't forgotten how much wind came out of Mr. Beck on this when he thought it would sell subscriptions by tying this to Boston.

I'm also not buying the idea that he's the only person interested in the future of the country. Different people undoubtedly have different ideas of how to go about it, but that's not an excuse for demonizing or ignoring them.

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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:28 am

Just to jump in here. I trust Beck a hell of a lot more than Obummer. One of the problems with the rest of the media is they are always trying to be on the PC side. We must be careful we don't offend anyone ya know. The rest are worried about advertising dollars.
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PostBy: Pacowy On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:04 am

Flyer5 wrote:Just to jump in here. I trust Beck a hell of a lot more than Obummer. One of the problems with the rest of the media is they are always trying to be on the PC side. We must be careful we don't offend anyone ya know. The rest are worried about advertising dollars.


Welcome to the party. I don't have much use for the mainstream media, either. Too much weird stuff becomes "common knowledge" through media repetition.

That said, Beck's model of journalism has its own infirmities, including an economic temptation to create false or overblown controversies, and to supply what his target market demands. I'd like to see him stick with the substance as much as I'd like to see it from the rest of the media.

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