Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:30 am

We never knew how good we had it in the 80's ...

But even by that time, the damage had already been done. Thanks to MA's own token progressive .... http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/04/how ... o-america/
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:38 pm

No secret that some people didn't like Ted Kennedy, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not trying to defend any of his specific positions, but to me this article just doesn't make sense, let alone a credible case, for many reasons. For example:

- AFAIK any bill introduced by anyone in Congress gets voted on by 535 elected senators and representatives, and is subject to presidential veto even if approved; Ted Kennedy didn't pass any law by himself.

- since 1965, there have been all kinds of combinations of parties and ideologies in control of the White House and Congress, and they've been free (within the constitution) to change previous laws if needed. Even the article seems to concede that there has been bipartisan support for immigration reforms.

- the article doesn't seem to be concerned with its own concession that there were decades of experience after 1965 where no one could credibly attempt to draw a line between immigration policies and domestic terrorism. It writes off the benefits that the U.S. has realized from millions of immigrants and their descendants over multiple generations, basically over the actions of one family more than 50 years after the beginning of the reforms it criticizes.

- the article highlights how the "old" immigration standards were meant to be applied in situation of significant hardship (citing eastern European Jews), but overlooks the fact that the bombers' family likely would have qualified for asylum even under the old standards. Chechnya in the '90's wasn't a stable place - and a reasonable person could believe some of the instability resulted from U.S. involvement. The idea that we would take in families who fled Chechnya AFAIK is consistent with historical immigration practices.

Overall, this article seems like a real "we don't know what to say so we'll blame Ted Kennedy" cop-out. Obviously we need to be vigilant over security issues associated with people coming into the country, but this article's attempt to pin it on Ted Kennedy and immigration reforms to me doesn't seem to withstand even minimal scrutiny. If anything, it is counterproductive to lead people to think the primary answer lies in Kennedy-bashing and immigration reform, since we've shown we're quite able to grow them here.

Mike

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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:21 pm

OK... now that we all know Pacowy is collage grad (prolly Ivy Leage) :lol:

I agree with what he said and it I do believe in Pacowys response he eludes to what I've been saying...we seriously need to make some changes!

"We don't want your poor, deprived, battered terrorists anymore" should be the new engraving on the Statue of Liberty :lol:
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:39 pm

dcrane wrote:OK... now that we all know Pacowy is collage grad (prolly Ivy Leage) :lol:

I agree with what he said and it I do believe in Pacowys response he eludes to what I've been saying...we seriously need to make some changes!

"We don't want your poor, deprived, battered terrorists anymore" should be the new engraving on the Statue of Liberty :lol:


Your profiling skills must be very helpful in your real estate business. :lol:

Actually, you're batting .500 - college grad but not Ivy League. I don't think that should matter much though +or - for the types of things we're talking about here. We all are exposed to the risks, we all have access to basically the same (nonclassified) information and we all have the opportunity to form opinions regarding changes that should be considered or implemented. There's a saying to the effect that nobody ever learned anything while talking; places like this forum provide a great way to become familiar with the perspectives and concerns of others, and form or test opinions about the types of changes we need.

Mike
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:58 pm

Pacowy ... your assuming the government follows, and has followed, the rule of law. With the Kennedy's, the law was a topic of laughter and entertainment at their lavish parties. BREAKING the law was what MADE the Kennedy's, after all.


As far as the topic goes, this is far from over as I suspected. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04 ... n-bombing/


And another interesting story here .... hmmmmm .... :gee: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04 ... e-details/
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:02 pm

Pacowy wrote:
dcrane wrote:OK... now that we all know Pacowy is collage grad (prolly Ivy Leage) :lol:

I agree with what he said and it I do believe in Pacowys response he eludes to what I've been saying...we seriously need to make some changes!

"We don't want your poor, deprived, battered terrorists anymore" should be the new engraving on the Statue of Liberty :lol:


Your profiling skills must be very helpful in your real estate business. :lol:

Actually, you're batting .500 - college grad but not Ivy League. I don't think that should matter much though +or - for the types of things we're talking about here. We all are exposed to the risks, we all have access to basically the same (nonclassified) information and we all have the opportunity to form opinions regarding changes that should be considered or implemented. There's a saying to the effect that nobody ever learned anything while talking; places like this forum provide a great way to become familiar with the perspectives and concerns of others, and form or test opinions about the types of changes we need.

Mike


Profiling in Real Estate is not aloud im afraid, so those skills I only use on the forum (I swear!) BUT...If I could speak as Eloquently as you do I'd sell a lot more houses! :lol:
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:14 pm

BUT...If I could speak as Eloquently as you do


Funny, I was making that same analysis Mr. Crane. I have remained silent on this long thread. You can tell much about a person by the words they choose and how they string them together.

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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:25 pm

dcrane wrote:Profiling in Real Estate is not aloud im afraid.


By profiling I only meant discerning things about your customers through the way the express themselves, not anything improper or unlawful.

Mike
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:51 am

Pacowy wrote:No secret that some people didn't like Ted Kennedy, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not trying to defend any of his specific positions, but to me this article just doesn't make sense, let alone a credible case, for many reasons. For example:

- AFAIK any bill introduced by anyone in Congress gets voted on by 535 elected senators and representatives, and is subject to presidential veto even if approved; Ted Kennedy didn't pass any law by himself.

- since 1965, there have been all kinds of combinations of parties and ideologies in control of the White House and Congress, and they've been free (within the constitution) to change previous laws if needed. Even the article seems to concede that there has been bipartisan support for immigration reforms.

- the article doesn't seem to be concerned with its own concession that there were decades of experience after 1965 where no one could credibly attempt to draw a line between immigration policies and domestic terrorism. It writes off the benefits that the U.S. has realized from millions of immigrants and their descendants over multiple generations, basically over the actions of one family more than 50 years after the beginning of the reforms it criticizes.

- the article highlights how the "old" immigration standards were meant to be applied in situation of significant hardship (citing eastern European Jews), but overlooks the fact that the bombers' family likely would have qualified for asylum even under the old standards. Chechnya in the '90's wasn't a stable place - and a reasonable person could believe some of the instability resulted from U.S. involvement. The idea that we would take in families who fled Chechnya AFAIK is consistent with historical immigration practices.

Overall, this article seems like a real "we don't know what to say so we'll blame Ted Kennedy" cop-out. Obviously we need to be vigilant over security issues associated with people coming into the country, but this article's attempt to pin it on Ted Kennedy and immigration reforms to me doesn't seem to withstand even minimal scrutiny. If anything, it is counterproductive to lead people to think the primary answer lies in Kennedy-bashing and immigration reform, since we've shown we're quite able to grow them here.

Mike

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There's not a darn thing wrong with Kennedy Bashing. I enjoy indulging myself in this pleasant and thoroughly enjoyable pastime on occasion.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: Pacowy On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:59 am

wsherrick wrote: There's not a darn thing wrong with Kennedy Bashing. I enjoy indulging myself in this pleasant and thoroughly enjoyable pastime on occasion.


It's an Olympic sport. I'm just saying it doesn't seem relevant to the stuff in this thread.

Mike
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:52 am

Pacowy wrote:
wsherrick wrote: There's not a darn thing wrong with Kennedy Bashing. I enjoy indulging myself in this pleasant and thoroughly enjoyable pastime on occasion.


It's an Olympic sport. I'm just saying it doesn't seem relevant to the stuff in this thread.

Mike


Honestly, this thread has been derailed for a while. I think all that could have been said was said a long time ago.
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed May 01, 2013 12:57 pm

Update: 3 more suspects in custody - one American & 2 from Kazakhstan.

Breaking news - story will be updated as the day goes on ... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05 ... h-bombing/
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed May 01, 2013 5:43 pm

SMITTY wrote:Update: 3 more suspects in custody - one American & 2 from Kazakhstan.

Breaking news - story will be updated as the day goes on ... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05 ... h-bombing/


Yep... I knew it! :mad: those sons a Bi.....
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Re: Explosions in Boston at finish line of marathon w injuries

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed May 01, 2013 5:59 pm

dc, you don't KNOW anything yet--the key words--SUSPECTS in CUSTODY--personally I'll wait for this to play out & see where it goes. Crap, it's not a tick bite:(
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