Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: rhs98jeep On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:24 pm

Hello everyone, I have been lurking on here for couple years. I had an old farm house and installed a used Pocono stoker stove in place of a woodstove and was never happier. I used this forum many times to research the install and information on my stove. The new (used) stove paid for itself in one season, the new owners who were wood burners, love the stove and are total coal burner fanatics now. I sold my farm and moved to a smaller ranch home last Oct with a newer oil boiler and decent insulation. So, my oil usage is not as bad as my old farm house, but oil is expensive and it still adds up. Plus I really miss the coal, it is a unique heat. My girls (wife and daughter) are always cold (except when I installed the Pocono) so I am considering something to supplement our current heating system or replace it. Money is tight...as always. So I am looking at used systems. My main question...should I go with a stoker stove in the basement, add a few floor vents and duct work it in? Keeping the oil boiler as back up. Or should I do a complete boiler system? I have a 1800ft ranch home, so duct work would be easy, but so would replacing the boiler. No chimney, my boiler has a power vent system. I would like to keep the oil boiler as it is also our hot water and I do not want to do coal in the summer. Also I like the oil if we go away on vacation (although we never do for that long a period). I live in Newfoundland PA, so up in the North East corner of PA.

So my question to all of you is, shall I look to go with a new (used) boiler or a Stoker stove and add some duct work? I want to keep this as low cost as possible, I have been looking at some used stoker stoves for around 1k-1500. I appreciate your input, thanks in advance. :D
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Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Paulie On: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:30 pm

Complete boiler added on to existing would be the best. But....with out a chimney, power vent adds complexity. I would spend on a chimney and a stove, and cut vents in the floors. Your still on oil, but not a lot. Good Luck!
Paulie
 
Stove/Furnace Make: leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pioneer

Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Wiz On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:24 am

I would suggest a coal boiler and pipe into existing oil boiler. Cutting vents in floors could be a code violation where you live. Chimney would be cement block one for sure. ;)
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Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:40 am

A stoker boiler would do a fine job of heating your entire home and providing cost-effective domestic hot water. Right now is a great time to buy. You will need a chimney for most boilers, and I recommend a masonry chimney.

A used stove with a power vent is the "cheap and easy" solution. You won't have as even temperatures in the house, and you will still burn some fuel oil, but it will keep the basement toasty and dent the oil bill.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:59 am

I have the same dilemma as you, I made the mistake of installing a new high efficiency oil burner and I'm kicking myself now because oil is the devil :mad: Because I have a chimney I'm taking the easy route and just installing a super quality coal stove on the hearth that I will run to help keep the oil burner off as much as possible. I guess in your case without a chimney/fireplace It might be advisable for you to simply get a good power vent stoker (i would plug it into the main level living area where it will serve best to heat the main level), go with a rear vent so your not looking at a pipe and it can be a wonderful addition to the home for its esthetic value as much as its functional value. I'm not sure its worth buying a used stoker however because the prices range from $1k - $2k and with stokers their are so many vital components that go beyond merely searching for cracked cast iron, etc. its just not worth dealing with the risk of blowers, motors, feeders, electronics, thermostats, etc,etc,etc... Just spend the extra $500-$1000 and buy it brand new with full warranty's, service and support. Im not sure the suggested retail on the liesure line sidewinder with rear power vent (evidently flyer5 keeps this info as highly clasified :lol: ).... but with an 18" depth and side mount hopper it takes up very little living space!
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Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Dennis On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:59 am

Look at the "LL110 boiler" with oil burner attached. It is a small boiler that will heat your entire house with oil back up when you go away,and shut down the coal stoker during the summer and use the oil burner for DHW.But for the cost of heating DHW for 1 summer with oil,you can install a electric hot water heater for that same price. Sell the current oil burner to help recoop the cost of a new boiler. I think the LL110 was priced around $4000.00,theres upfront money,but the pay back will be only a few years and everyone is warm and happy. http://leisurelinestoves.com/boiler-and ... ducts.html
I believe it can be power vented also,witch you can save on money and use the one you already have.
Dennis
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: AHS/WOC55-multi-fuel/wood,oil,coal
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/stove size

Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:12 am

FWIW,

Rob is right,now is a great time to buy a used stoker boiler, EFM if you want the best though there are many other good ones if you ask around. I would think you could get into a good used unit and build yourself a chimney for 6-7 k . That number is based on my install last year so it can very widely I'd imagine. Even if you borrow the money the payback will be a few years max and youll NEVER regret it. Burning coal is the bomb no matter how you do it, but if you go the stove route your always gonna wonder :notsure: If you go boiler youll never wonder........

Waldo
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Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Pacowy On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:06 am

rhs98jeep -

Please check your private messages (envelope icon at top of page).

Thanks.

Mike
Pacowy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: H.B. Smith 350 Mills boiler/EFM 85R stoker
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/anthracite

Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: rhs98jeep On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:35 am

Dennis wrote:Look at the "LL110 boiler" with oil burner attached. It is a small boiler that will heat your entire house with oil back up when you go away,and shut down the coal stoker during the summer and use the oil burner for DHW.But for the cost of heating DHW for 1 summer with oil,you can install a electric hot water heater for that same price. Sell the current oil burner to help recoop the cost of a new boiler. I think the LL110 was priced around $4000.00,theres upfront money,but the pay back will be only a few years and everyone is warm and happy. http://leisurelinestoves.com/boiler-and ... ducts.html
I believe it can be power vented also,witch you can save on money and use the one you already have.


I have been looking at that, seems like it may be the easiest way to go with a boiler unit. I really liked my Leisure line Pocono in the other house. May have to save up and just go this route. Plus I think install would be less expensive if I can just put it in place of my current boiler.
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Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:51 am

You could go the stoker stove assist route like a lot of us did...including me...and then in a few years you'll install a boiler like a lot of us did...including me...

I vote for installing a boiler and getting it done.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: rhs98jeep On: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:02 am

Wood'nCoal wrote:You could go the stoker stove assist route like a lot of us did...including me...and then in a few years you'll install a boiler like a lot of us did...including me...

I vote for installing a boiler and getting it done.


Thats exactly what would happen. So I am looking at the one from Leisure line, the dual fuel.
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Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:08 am

Boiler ,new or good used ,sized for your load, tied into your existing oil piping system and coupled to a new masonry chimney . As time /money will permit, an electric hot water heater to keep that nasty old oil bill from ever sliding in under your door.We are planning a complete dis- association from the mid east here,that should be your long term goal.You will never look back if you do it right ,so plan carefully.Don't be afraid to stretch it out if you must. Mike
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Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
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Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:44 am

rhs98jeep wrote: I would like to keep the oil boiler as it is also our hot water and I do not want to do coal in the summer.


You can always use an electric heater when the boiler is off and take advantage of it in the winter when it's on. ;)
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:49 am

With the cost of electricity here (JCP&L raises the rates in the summer months) my EFM burns year round. I still have the oil fired Aero hot water heater plumbed in the event the EFM has to be taken off line for repairs.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Which route, complete boiler or stoker stove to assist oil?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:41 am

Richard S. wrote:
rhs98jeep wrote: I would like to keep the oil boiler as it is also our hot water and I do not want to do coal in the summer.


You can always use an electric heater when the boiler is off and take advantage of it in the winter when it's on. ;)


That is a great way to have domestic hot water available during boiler service or extended shutdowns. My brothers Efm has a tankless feeding a 50 gallon electric with a mixing valve, there is a bypass to take the coil out if the loop when the boiler is shutdown (you never want to run cold water through a coil in a non operational boiler).
Rob R.
 
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Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
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