Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

Have your health care rates gone up under The Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare)?

yes
33
54%
no
19
31%
no idea
9
15%
don't care
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 61

Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:16 pm

China has both lots and too little regulation. Air pollution has reached dangerous proportions.

The low cost of the desk is from low wages probably coupled with the most modern safest machinery.

How many fingers and hands do you have to scrape out of shearing machines and die stamping machines before you require very simple and inexpensive fixes? Can it be overdone? Sure, but to argue a complete lack is to go back to a day when killed and maimed workers were far more common. All that was required in the Triangle Shirtwaist fire was uncluttered exits and unlocked doors with exit signs. I think that was the regulation then but inspection and enforcement was spotty. To argue against all regulation is just plain irresponsible.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:35 am

jpete wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:Hence, state insurance boards who act as advocates for the consumer


You don't actually believe that do you?


Your cynicism is clouding your sense of reality.

Not only do I believe it, I experienced the benefit first hand.

I have two life insurance policies from one company with two different schedules of premiums, one level, one increasing. The increasing premium was billed regularly AND deducted at our request regularly from our checking account. The level premium was was NOT billed regularly, they often failed to bill it at all, and despite numerous requests by phone and in writing with certified delivery, they never took out the proper amount regularly from our account. Then I failed to keep an eye on it and received a cancellation notice (no warning notice) and they told me I would have to have an health check to have it reinstated. My health is not as good as it was twenty years ago and I am sure I couldn't get similar coverage for a similar premium, if I could be insured at my age at any reasonable price. Repeated calls from my independent agent to the insurer went unanswered. I collected my data and presented it to my agent who called the NYS Insurance Board. We faxed them the data showing the erratic behavior of the insurer with regard to the one policy but not the other. Within three days my policy was reinstated.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:36 am

franco b wrote:China has both lots and too little regulation. Air pollution has reached dangerous proportions.

The low cost of the desk is from low wages probably coupled with the most modern safest machinery.

How many fingers and hands do you have to scrape out of shearing machines and die stamping machines before you require very simple and inexpensive fixes? Can it be overdone? Sure, but to argue a complete lack is to go back to a day when killed and maimed workers were far more common. All that was required in the Triangle Shirtwaist fire was uncluttered exits and unlocked doors with exit signs. I think that was the regulation then but inspection and enforcement was spotty. To argue against all regulation is just plain irresponsible.


Again. What about the "regulation" of Natural Law?

If I have a right to life, and your actions kill me, why aren't you prosecuted?

In your example of the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, doors were chained shut, blocked, etc.

What legal proceedings were brought against the owner of the company?
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:37 am

mikeandgerry wrote:
You don't actually believe that do you?


Your cynicism is clouding your sense of reality.

[/quote]

Forgive me. I live in Rhode Island where cynicism IS reality.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:02 am

We are having the same arguments with respect to regulations as any issue the politicians have. NO matter what the topic, we can all agree that some rules and regulations are necessary to prevent unscrupulous people from raping and pillaging. But when the gov. inspectors and politicians and union leaders are part of the raping and pillaging, it is foolish to assert that more rules and regulations made by the same unscrupulous people will save the day or improve anything. I have been told many times by these people that "that is just the way it is." Many of them wait for years to get their job through seniority(union) or by appointment(political hack) and then make hay while the sun shines because that is what their predecessor did. They have had a thorough indoctrination into"how things work".
This is a good reason people are up in arms over Paul Lapage in Maine. He is not abiding by time honored seniority appointments or playing by the rules. He wants real world statistics and budgets instead of spin and "well, we need more then last year". The last time an Independent was Gov in Maine(Longley), my uncle was appointed the head of the Sea and Shore Fisheries. Known today as the Marine Patrol. The fisherman generally loved him as he came up through the ranks of officers and grew up on the coast of Maine. He knew their problems and did not have a degree in anything from some Liberal Biology program to brainwash him into saving the ocean one fish at a time. I remember him saying about the days of working in Augusta that they left the next administration with a surplus and the ship was upright and moving forward. The very next Gov(Dem) blew the surplus. Buying votes the time honored way. Budgets through the spend it at all cost method so we can at least get that much next year.
Here in Chattanooga, there is much the same battle going on. This was a manufacturing center(steel mills) and the hub of southern rail lines. It then fell into decay as that collapsed and money became tight. Fiscal responsibility became the norm and the city revitalized and cleaned itself up as it was the #1 dirtiest city in the US. Now with new manufacturing jobs and industry, there is already infighting with "advocates" for the poor and city planners to spend, spend, spend. The immediate infrastructure and services that promote new business is thrown under the bus instantly to promote free goodies and services that add nothing to the financial health of the city. More cops, more fire fighters, more teachers, new schools, better transportation for the low income and new housing as well. And then more of them move in as it is "good" in Chatt. right now and suck up the resources. Just as fast as new talent and producers move to an area with opportunity so do the leeches. And there is a political class waiting to exploit the leeches. The UAW is hard at work to unionize the VW plant as the poor workers are being paid MORE then the average for a UAW plant and they need some of that money for their politics. :roll: I might add that they MOVED a stream bed to build the site for the plant before they GOT the plant to come here. Try that in the Northeast. :shock: And, I also know that Montgomery and Birmingham Ala. got their plants by the same method. They built an industrial site before they had a plant and attracted them with low labor, low power costs, and low taxes. All things the Northeast/Great Lakes region has none of.
The whole region will have to crash, the leeches will have to move on, and then business people will get favorable treatment and rebuild the area. But right now the leeches and taxers are being artificially propped up with the printing press of the Fed Gov.

Kevin
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:33 am

Sounds a bit familiar Klook (got it right this time) the part about leaving the next administration with a surplus & they blew it. Anyhow I consider the Pittsburgh area the Northeast & believe it or not we built a site in New Stanton Rail service all the infrastructure buildings & all for (& here I can't recall if the first was VW or Chrysler) no taxes for 10 years. Guess what after that time more breaks & then the one moved out & in a short time the other moved in & the process repeated with Sony & repeated again, can't recall now if it's UPS or someone else in there now but that's the way it works. My old steel mill valley Duquesne, McKeesport, Homestead & on & on the same, USS & others gave the property to the counties & the tax payer got stuck with demolition of what was left & the cleanup of the sites. Now there are shopping malls, sweat shops & other small retail & production outfits there for again tax breaks. It happens everywhere not just there & it's still going on in our state with the frackers, refineries & quacker plants, it's become a repetitive process.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:18 pm

How many people who voted for Obama were convinced that he was going to give them free healthcare?

My guess is loads of them.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:30 pm

That's just because you think so highly of your fellow man Isayre. :roll:
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:44 pm

samhill wrote:That's just because you think so highly of your fellow man Isayre. :roll:


But what if its true? I'm pretty sure the Obamaphone lady would be one candidate for believing it to be true.

And here is a woman who thought that if she voted for Obama, someone else (anyone but her) would be FORCED to pay for her health care, and now she is shocked and bummed out: http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/d ... y_10072013
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: Wiz On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:15 pm

No increase since first day of employment 3 yrs ago. Copay $20 and meds $7 if generic brand.. kids are covered until their 27th birthday.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:39 pm

samhill wrote:That's just because you think so highly of your fellow man Isayre. :roll:


Would that be the productive fellow man who is being taxed into oblivion to pay for Obamacare, or the unproductive fellow man who is one of the multitude that is inevitably going to be mooching off of him (at the behest of the governments gun)? Personally I think better of the former types than the latter.

samhill, which type do you personally think better of? Do you think that some men have a valid claim against the labor of other men? Should some men (the moochers) be permitted to place a noose around the neck of the ability of other men (the producers)? And should the government promote and enforce such claims? And lastly, is that why our government was instituted?
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:57 pm

First off the phone thing started with Reagan, the producers as you call them don't really produce anything except perhaps elsewhere. The what where producers are long gone now there are takers, takers at the bottom (bottom feeders & takers at the top) no matter where in the food chain they are takers none the less & they each take & use the middle, that's where the producers are & the top takers cost a lot more than the bottom moochers. One is tolerated & ignored while the other is feared & even worshipped by other, perhaps the ones that would like to be there but just can't quite muster enough or frankly just aren't lucky so some envy them & blame the moochers just because there's no one else to blame without accepting it themselves. :cry:
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:01 pm

samhill wrote:First off the phone thing started with Reagan, the producers as you call them don't really produce anything except perhaps elsewhere. The what where producers are long gone now there are takers, takers at the bottom (bottom feeders & takers at the top) no matter where in the food chain they are takers none the less & they each take & use the middle, that's where the producers are & the top takers cost a lot more than the bottom moochers. One is tolerated & ignored while the other is feared & even worshipped by other, perhaps the ones that would like to be there but just can't quite muster enough or frankly just aren't lucky so some envy them & blame the moochers just because there's no one else to blame without accepting it themselves. :cry:


You appear to have a very low opinion of all of mankind.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:11 pm

I agree Sam....up til a point. What makes the area so unattractive all of a sudden? Lets see :| ....Unions!!! You act like giving a company a tax break to spend half a billion dollars on a plant and employ 10,000...20,000....??? people is bending over backwards. How much of the money to build went into the local economy? How much of the money that the employees make go into the local economy? ALL companies are the same. When costs rise due to whatever you can dream of, it either raises the price for its widgets of goes out of business. Power is stupid expensive in your region because greenies are against everything that makes power except magic. Unions are....well unions. Enough said. Local taxes are a pittance compared to the cost of labor and energy. This is the same old argument. If the VW people are paying good wages and benefits and the power is cheap and the railroad is built right into the plant to transport materials in and out, what can go wrong? It is really pretty simple. Power increases which Obama is trying because he wants to sell the TVA to private groups. Or wage increases because unions successfully get into the plants and do their magic. Or transportation cost jump incredibly or a combination of all three. 2 of those are just stupid. Transportation cost could be factored in because of union control of the railroad or a company running it into the ground like the Maine lines and then shut down. Can't see that happening here. But maybe VW will build a plant in China....after the unions get in.

Kevin

Actually the plant here cost 1 Billion. And they are building another.....
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:41 pm

Wiz wrote:No increase since first day of employment 3 yrs ago. Copay $20 and meds $7 if generic brand.. kids are covered until their 27th birthday.

No! No! Get with the program! You're expected to CONDEMN Obamacare here, and even though it only went into effect 6 days ago, you are supposed to blame it for all your insurance woes of the last four years. No success stories allowed! :o
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