Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

Have your health care rates gone up under The Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare)?

yes
33
54%
no
19
31%
no idea
9
15%
don't care
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 61

Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 30, 2013 9:43 am

This is the method that Cleveland Clinic uses, the docs from what I understand get a handsome salary (none are leaving) & here is what they use for CEO-upper management. http://my.clevelandclinic.org/about-cle ... ctors.aspx
There are solutions to everything but somewhere along that line there has to be a change.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu May 30, 2013 9:45 am

That's a tax-exempt charity - apples to grapefruit.

I agree there needs to be change ... but the government's idea of change will make things much, much worse.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 30, 2013 9:57 am

Cleveland Clinic is one of the largest Hospitals in Ohio, as most hospitals they are considered not for profit businesses but most have found ways for at least some to profit greatly. My Health Ins. provider is UPMC & naturally for profit & is owned & run by UPMC one of the largest not for profit hospital conglomerates there is & we have caught the not for profit side billing for tests or procedures not done but billed to the Ins. side, when called on it they politely thank you for calling their attention to it (after learning of wife's medical background) but nothing is ever done, the money still changes sides.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu May 30, 2013 12:10 pm

Its not just healthcare costs that are rising because of Obama care. There are many extra taxes that we will be paying as well because of it.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu May 30, 2013 12:13 pm

Flyer5 wrote:Its not just healthcare costs that are rising because of Obama care. There are many extra taxes that we will be paying as well because of it.


As well as massive new levls of controls, and invasions of Dr/patient privacy!
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri May 31, 2013 12:19 pm

Forbes says average health care rates in California will rise by 64% to 146%.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... by-64-146/
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri May 31, 2013 1:16 pm

Like I said we will see the ins rates rise, that will be tough but wait till you sell a house or some of the other taxes related to it. I have not confirmed but someone was also saying that there is also a tax that every single transaction you do in a bank. Move money you will be charged $1.
Any scholars on here find anything like this in the bill? I did not make it through all 27 hundred or thousand pages or so. I think the nausea started at page 5.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Fri May 31, 2013 2:57 pm

It only pertains to registered republicans Flyer, nothing to worry about here. Wait for the con poll tax in 14 as well. :roll: :woot: :clap:
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:29 pm

Charity hospitals will face heavy scrutiny of their nonprofit status and face sizable fines under Obamacare. Under this President we must come to accept that private charity is pure evil and thereby must be punished by our benevolent President's grand plan of pure goodness.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/08/obama ... z2bWODpzbT

Not for profit Charity Hospitals are to Obamacare as the not for profit Tea Party and Christian organizations are to the IRS. Something about freedom and independence and charity makes all of these once highly revered qualities of mankind highly undesirable from the perspective of the left. Hmm???
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:45 pm

Isayre, I ask once again where do you think the burden of costs of those that either cannot or will not pay comes from? Do you think all the welfare scum that use the ER for a family doctor & then after having been transported there by ambulance then demand transportation home somehow get it all without someone paying? Then the other side of the coin the working poor that are too proud or make just a tad too much to get care until it's too late & they get brought in to die, that doesn't get done for free either so just guess who pays for all that. Obama care isn't perfect but it is a first step, it was admitted by both parties that we had to do something but the lobbies bought their support from both sides & this is what we end up with because it was in their best interest not the people's.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:50 pm

samhill wrote: Obama care isn't perfect but it is a first step


Toward what?
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:52 pm

samhill wrote:Isayre, I ask once again where do you think the burden of costs of those that either cannot or will not pay comes from? Do you think all the welfare scum that use the ER for a family doctor & then after having been transported there by ambulance then demand transportation home somehow get it all without someone paying? Then the other side of the coin the working poor that are too proud or make just a tad too much to get care until it's too late & they get brought in to die, that doesn't get done for free either so just guess who pays for all that. Obama care isn't perfect but it is a first step, it was admitted by both parties that we had to do something but the lobbies bought their support from both sides & this is what we end up with because it was in their best interest not the people's.


Apparently the very nature of charity eludes you completely. I could see you being in full agreement that it must be fined and scrutinized. Of course I can also conceive of your patented standard reply that you said nothing of the sort.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:07 am

Isayre, another of your usual answers, no answer at all. Why not do as you like to do & look up the willful giving of something of value & explain it to a lowly uneducated person such as myself in layman's terms. Or skip that & just answer the point of my question & tell me who ends up paying for millions upon millions of so called medical charity if that's what you prefer to call it & now just who is willfully paying for it.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:11 am

samhill wrote:Isayre, another of your usual answers, no answer at all. Why not do as you like to do & look up the willful giving of something of value & explain it to a lowly uneducated person such as myself in layman's terms. Or skip that & just answer the point of my question & tell me who ends up paying for millions upon millions of so called medical charity if that's what you prefer to call it & now just who is willfully paying for it.


Private philanthropists. Often anonymous.

If the government was involved it wouldn't be charity. It would be coercion. In fact, it would be Obamacare.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:13 am

Jpete, towards some type of universal affordable health care as opposed to what we have now. Remember that is what most everyone involved in the seeking of the Presidency suggested a fix for instead of the Ins. & Pharm. giants running the show for personal gain from others through their lobbies.
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