Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

Have your health care rates gone up under The Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare)?

yes
33
54%
no
19
31%
no idea
9
15%
don't care
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 61

Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: mozz On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:54 pm

We were told today are insurance rates are going up 3.7 to 4.4 percent in 2014, our open season starts soon towards the end of the year.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:05 pm

jpete wrote:Because Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin.

Different in name only to allow the gullible public to vote against one side or the other every few years without affecting their game in any way whatsoever?



HA !! Ain't that the truth.. :!:
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: Davian On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:33 pm

jpete wrote:Because Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin.

Different in name only to allow the gullible public to vote against one side or the other every few years without affecting their game in any way whatsoever?


Correctomundo!!!
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: Davian On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:33 pm

mozz wrote:We were told today are insurance rates are going up 3.7 to 4.4 percent in 2014, our open season starts soon towards the end of the year.


FWIW, that's actually lower than it was in the 2000-2010 timeframe where it was closer to 10% per year. Still above inflation but better than it used to be.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:01 pm

Read um and weep. Across the board Obamacare costs that are higher than currently available plans.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... nteractive
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:29 pm

lsayre wrote:Obamacare costs that are higher than currently available plans.

But available to whom? Yes, if you are young and perfectly healthy with no disease history, MAYBE you can sometimes buy insurance cheaper. But go ahead and get seriously ill, will the company continue your policy at renewal time? Sure they will -- NOT! :mad:

And don't believe that Wall Street Journal article, either. One of my sons wanted insurance when he lost his job. He was 26 and healthy, and I assure you there was NO private insurance available in Maine, NONE, except a high-deductible policy at three times the premium the WSJ claims. Show me one, single person in Maine who has private insurance comparable to the "bronze" plan for $122 per month, and I'll eat my hat!

These are all old arguments, but with 2014 approaching the lies are flying anew. :(
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:04 pm

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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:26 pm

Many insurance companies stocks soared today, as they are going to rake in some serious profits thanks to Obamacare.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:54 pm

lsayre wrote:Many insurance companies stocks soared today

Rubbish. Many stocks of ALL kinds increased today, but didn't "soar" -- just a typical swing after a few days of decreases. Why would health insurance stocks increase TODAY, based on a law that has been in effect for several YEARS? The market isn't that stupid.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: Ed.A On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:39 pm

According to the calculator I will pay 50% more.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:12 pm

rberq wrote:The market isn't that stupid.


The market thinks the market is worth 15k+. That seems stupid to me.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:52 pm

The problem with Obamacare isn't that it attempts to help the uninsured or the uninsurable. The problem isn't that it pools the risks and spreads out the premiums among the participants. The problem IS that the federal government is involved...

and that means cronyism, favoritism, political pandering, excessive taxation and regulation, demagoguery, brinkmanship, and all the trappings of a managed economy including induced demand bubbles and the resultant crashes.

Low price-High quality-Immediate service. Pick any two.

Under the free(-er) market system, we had high quality and immediate service for those with insurance, and low to mid-quality, quick service, pro-bono for those without. Under Obamacare you will have either low price, mid-quality, and fair service as an exchange customer, or high price, high quality and immediate service as a private, third party insured, fully taxed participant. A few will opt out and have high price and no service.

What have we really gained except government intrusion and higher taxes?
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:01 am

mikeandgerry wrote:What have we really gained except government intrusion and higher taxes?

One of the biggest gains is to keep the insurance companies honest. Would you buy liability insurance for your car, if the company reserved the right to cancel your policy when it looked like there might be a claim? That is, if the policy says it will pay only for liability ASSESSED (not INCURRED) while the policy is still in effect? So you hit somebody, the company drops you, the court says you are liable, the company says, “Sorry, the policy was dropped before the court made its finding.”

But that’s the way employer-based health insurance works. Get sick or injured, lose your job because you are unable to work, your insurance is cancelled, and the company says, “Sorry, we know you are not well yet, but the policy has ended. We suggest you file for bankruptcy.”

The health insurers will no longer be allowed to do that. Call it government intrusion if you wish. I call it government doing what government is supposed to do.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:26 am

I presently have H. Ins. from a Co. that is also a HC provider, a few days ago I got a card thanking me for going to a local Doc in their system (which I had to sign up with even when I use the VA) when I checked the date of said visit it was when I went to my shoulder surgeon for a post op visit that is part of the operation & free. So what they do is channel money from a for profit to a non-profit for something that was never done & we wonder why HC costs are so high.
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Re: Poll: Have your health care rates gone up under Obamacare?

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:21 pm

samhill wrote:... what they do is channel money from a for profit to a non-profit for something that was never done & we wonder why HC costs are so high.

The private insurance companies seem to play all kinds of tricks. I have noticed it most obviously on prescriptions and DME (durable medical equipment). I won't repeat the details of previous posts -- suffice it to say, I was able to get many items cheaper by paying the total cash price out of my own pocket, than by paying the fake inflated co-pay percentage when billed through insurance. I suspect that similar tricks apply to doctor and hospital care, but the billing is not so transparent there and often the care is urgently needed so there is not time to shop around as there is with prescriptions.

Under Obamacare, I believe all insurance companies are required to provide exactly the same minimum coverage, so it becomes harder for them to play tricks, and easier for the consumer to shop by price. That, incidentally, is how my Medicare coverage seems to work, except for Part D prescriptions where there is less transparency and more room for insurance company games (thank you, W). I would prefer a marketplace free of government involvement, IF that marketplace worked properly, which it does not and has not for many years. Do I think Obamacare is perfect? No, of course not, but let's fix the imperfections, not throw it all out under the dishonest pretense that it will be replaced with something better.
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