Septic tank lid

Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:42 am

whistlenut wrote:Richard, that could be a 1300 gallon tank,


Nope, it specifically said lb. . In any event it was just a small lid and we got it off. Not sure what it's supposed to llook like bu we're getting it pumped.

Original problem is not solved, every line exits the house separately, two sewage and two grey water. It's the grey water that is backing up and it drains slowly but there isn't anything going into the tank . Must be another tank somewhere.... fun, fun fun.... :mad:
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:46 am

"not before lunch"... hahahaha!!!

I should mention that in MA the local town board of health will have the as-built, plans, information on the type system and its components and their locations (im not sure if PA is the same, but simply walk into the local board of health and ask for any file they may have on "that" address).
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:09 am

Nothing is the same as MA, DC - you should know that! :D



My lid weighs about 20 lbs ... and sits 4" under the lawn.

Filters? D-boxes? Ain't never heard of such complex stuff in these parts. :lol:


Richard you probably have a drywell somewhere. Instead of going through the trouble of finding it, I'd just snake all those pipes headed out the foundation.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:17 am

If there is a dry well it could've collapsed. I have three grey water dry wells on my property, two collapsed and one is currently being used for the washer and dryer. Once it goes the washer and dryer will be on the septic system.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Dennis On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:51 pm

Richard S. wrote:Well if you have water going into the septic the air doesn't have anywhere to go, we have flushing issues here but that was the case since day 1.


Have you checked the vent pipe from the toilet thru the roof to see if it was ever hooked up from day 1.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:36 pm

Richard S. wrote:Well if you have water going into the septic the air doesn't have anywhere to go, we have flushing issues here but that was the case since day 1. When I take this lid off if the flushing issue goes away it's getting knocked out if that is what it is.


Your vent air for quick flushing comes from the vent pipe that is supposed to be close by the toilet. If it is only one toilet or sink (or one bathrooms fixtures) then it may be only the vent from that bathroom. If it is multiple bathrooms or fixtures that are scattered through the house then it may be the main stack going through the roof. There are formulas for the size of the vent and horizontal run distance from the fixtures based on what you are venting. It could be somebody didn't size it properly or put it too far for it to work correctly from the git-go. Or could be partially or fully clogged by some critter activity.

The pipe going into the tank is higher than the water level in the tank and the effluent will not fill that pipe completely so it will not be 'vent-locked' (my own term!) plus there is air space in the tank above the effluent level.

There should always be an air path to the roof stack from the septic tank through some pipe path since usually there are multiple vent pipes in a house going to one stack through the roof. Even if there is only one main vent pipe because all plumbing fixtures happen to be co-located in a house, since the main sewer pipe is not completely full during a flush there is still a air path to the roof stack from your tank.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:01 pm

dcrane wrote:"not before lunch"... hahahaha!!!

I should mention that in MA the local town board of health will have the as-built, plans, information on the type system and its components and their locations (im not sure if PA is the same, but simply walk into the local board of health and ask for any file they may have on "that" address).


Doug this house was built in '51, what I suspect is there is second grey water tank which is a good thing but the question is where is it. Going to try and locate it tomorrow.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:03 pm

SMITTY wrote: I'd just snake all those pipes headed out the foundation.


Trieed that, they are only two inch pipes for the grey water and it got stuck.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:04 pm

Dennis wrote:Have you checked the vent pipe from the toilet thru the roof to see if it was ever hooked up from day 1.


There is a actually four of them and yes they were checked.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:07 pm

titleist1 wrote:Your vent air for quick flushing comes from the vent pipe that is supposed to be close by the toilet.


It's about 2 feet from the toilet, my point about the vent in the septic is you have water going down the line to tank that need to displace air in the tank. There is no for that air to go except back up the sewer pipe.

There should always be an air path to the roof stack from the septic tank through some pipe path since usually there are multiple vent pipes in a house going to one stack through the roof.


I only see one pipe going into the tank.

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Forgot to mention we fusdhe the toilet with the lid off a few times and didn't make a difference....

Here's a picture, each of those boxes on the upper sides of the wall are pipes exiting the house, there is one behind where I'm at too. I think the reason they did 4 vent stacks was so they could make straight runs through the joists. We're going to dig out the last one see where it goes, that's for the grey water in the bathroom.

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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:33 pm

Here's what happened to my gray water tank, they said I had one, never knew where until the water bubbled up out of the soil..
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Dennis On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:09 pm

Richard S. wrote:Doug this house was built in '51, what I suspect is there is second grey water tank which is a good thing but the question is where is it. Going to try and locate it tomorrow.

usually a house that old,the gray water only had a grease trap(approx. 2'x3')then into it's own leach feild or just a stone pit
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:12 pm

Trieed that, they are only two inch pipes for the grey water and it got stuck.


Have you tried the jet snake attachment on a pressure washer. MY 11 HP pressure washer with the jet snake attachment has yet to be beaten. Apparently not good for roots and if the leach field is blocked then you are SOOL but sailed through my 2" pipe.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:13 pm

Hard sayin' not knowing. Yup... all you can do it pump it & see what you can see. As for the gray water... Yikes! The only sure way I now of is dig, dig, dig. If you think it's backin gup someplace you might find someone with a black light tester. They pour special liquid down the drain & then after dark go see if they can find water bubbling up under the black light.

Vents in leach fields..... a 1980's idea for leach fields where the water is pumped. They thought the water would enter the field so fast that it needed a vent. Today they stopped doing it. No new systems need a vent. Come to find out, the air finds a way out!
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:45 pm

Freddy wrote: They pour special liquid down the drain & then after dark go see if they can find water bubbling up under the black light.


There is no water anywhere I can find bt I think we're at the tip of this. Next to the wall where it goes out is a cleanout and when it starts backing up that's where it comes out. It drains pretty quick so it might just be blocked.
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