Septic tank lid

Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:44 pm

couldn't help myself :

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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:15 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:couldn't help myself :

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I assume you took that photo yourself right? :lol:
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:35 pm

You should only have one pipe going to the tank (or more likely cesspool), the displacment of any air in the tank is insugnificant and even it was sugnificant it would mearly go right back up the pipe your "afluent" came in from and right up through your "stink pipe" in the roof (this is why traps are so important at each fixture in the home or those stinky gases might come right into your kitchen sink :lol: )

Now... 1951... this is not a good sign im sorry to say... whats the problem your having (toilets backing up? sinks not draining? lawn stinking like sewer? visable afluent someplace outside?), You can try to roto rooter or flush or chemicals but my guess is that will gain you nothing long term. You need to dig (you wont have any info on the system you have at town hall) so you should get a machine their if you know someone who has a lil terimite or w/e.

I would think you have clay pipe to brick tank/cesspool and area or tank has run its life cycle... two choices... 1 legal, 1 probably not legal... #1 install a new septic which requires pumping and then caving in old and also requires an engineered design for approval. #2 use the friends terimite find a new location near the old and dig a 5' diamiter hole 8-10' deep and build a quick cesspool (super easy and cheap with cinder blocks), here are some good info links.

http://www.perkulator-cesspool.com/pre- ... system.htm

http://www.septicairaid.com/cesspoolproblems.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


I will keep my fingers crossed for you bro! GL
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:40 pm

Richard S. wrote:There is no water anywhere I can find bt I think we're at the tip of this. Next to the wall where it goes out is a cleanout and when it starts backing up that's where it comes out. It drains pretty quick so it might just be blocked.



This old farmhouse has its share of drainage problems as well.

I bought one of these : http://www.homedepot.com/p/BrassCraft-5 ... 513?N=bqoe

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Used it a couple of times. It is not as powerful as a commercial plumbers unit but it gets the job done. We have a cleanout right outside the wall. And yeah, I have already seen a poop fountain when I pulled the cap off. That was not a good time. Luckily I have a good stomach.........

But this little unit came with 4 different attachment/cutter heads for the end of the cable. It has saved me at least 2 plumbing calls so far.




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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:20 pm

If your system was built in 51 the most likely answer is your field is shot. Dig it up and pump it, put a hose in the pipe to the field and turn on the water, if it flows back into the tank you have your answer. 62 years is really old for a system.. They don't last forever..

If you need a new system I would do it by the book if you have well water, if you don't and things go wrong you will find yourself in a boat load of trouble with the law.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:50 am

dcrane wrote:Now... 1951... this is not a good sign im sorry to say... whats the problem your having (toilets backing up? sinks not draining? lawn stinking like sewer?


The tank is from 2006 and as far as that goes I don't think the tank is the issue. I think it's just a junk toilet itself. It's not the sewer backing up, I can flush the toilet and see the water (and other things :sick: ) come out of the sewer pipe. It's just flushes really slow and that's even with the lid off the septic tank. The water level is well below the pipe coming into the tank.

In the mean time the grey water lines are blocked up and drain slowly, I can;t see any water coming from the sewer pipe in the tank but they do drain eventually. That means either they have their own tank somewhere or they go into a different part of the tank the sewer does.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:17 am

It's just flushes really slow and that's even with the lid off the septic tank.


I'll say it for the second time - jet snake. Just on the off chance that someone is listening

http://www.sewerjetgazette.net/how-to-u ... re-washer/
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: titleist1 On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:50 am

Here is a quick test for the toilet....Pour a full 5 gallon bucket into the bowl and see how fast it drains out as you are pouring.

If it flushes fine by doing this then the holes under the rim are probably clogged and the water flow from the tank is real slow making the flush real slow.

If it flushes slow then the clog could be in the trap for the toilet. Taking the toilet off the closet flange and pouring the bucket of water into the flange directly will tell you. Then you may get to try the reverse search into the toilet trap !! I've found toothbrushes in there slowing things down....not pretty and definitely a reason to replace your toothbrush!

If the clog is in the pipe you get to use coalnewbie's snake suggestion and since the toilet is off the flange you have direct access!

If you end up replacing the toilet I highly recommend Toto toilets. I have put in about 2 dozen over the years and never had an issue or complaint about them not handling what people dish out and never had an issue with the tank guts. I have probably put in more ADA toilets than regular height and would suggest that if you have older folks in the house. Last I bought one from a real plumbing store (Northeastern Plumbing vs. big box) they ran about $275 for what I think they called the Drake model, but it has been a while so I might have the name wrong. It was their basic model, but I know from my experience being a weekend janitor that they work better than Crane, American Standard & Kohler basic models.

If you feel like splurging here is a model that may keep you in the throne room forever!! :shock: :D
http://www.faucetdirect.com/toto-ms982c ... 4AodOkwAOg
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:01 am

As for the time thing on septic systems .... my grandfather built his own out of concrete block after the bank refused to lend him money. Built the house out of scrap lumber from wrecked houses during the hurricane of '38 ... so I figure the house was almost 60 years old when he died. The ground was just getting mushy around it then, but it was still working. He raised 4 kids there too. Not bad for a bunch of cinderblocks! ;)
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:10 am

Here is a quick test for the toilet....Pour a full 5 gallon bucket into the bowl and see how fast it drains out as you are pouring.

If it flushes fine by doing this then the holes under the rim are probably clogged and the water flow from the tank is real slow making the flush real slow.


BINGO title
If the clog is in the pipe you get to use coalnewbie's snake suggestion and since the toilet is off the flange you have direct access!


Except there has to be an outside pipe access for the whole house or at least there should be. If you remove the lid and turn on everything and flush the toilet does the system back up. Start the jet snake at the outside access (4"?) and move to the tank. I still think these new high flush toilets are great I have them everywhere but let's pin down the problem first. Remember I'm a horse farmer - $hits my game.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:42 pm

Rich, when you opened the tank what did you see? Was it boiling or sizzling?
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:07 pm

Lot of foam, it's empty now. Whatever issues there are here aren't related to the tank...

In any event some guy that does this all the time is coming to dig all the lines out. The one coming into the tank looks like it might be pointed upward slightly but it still drains when it flushes. He's going to find out where the others one go, there is no way they are draining into the septic tank.

Got to know when to quit and call someone, this has to be done with a machine because this ground is a like boulders.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:14 pm

Foam sounds good, good luck, I hope they don't break the old tile pipe, if thats what you have..
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri May 03, 2013 10:22 am

Any update Richard?? Did your guy find the grey water drain fields ??

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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri May 03, 2013 10:49 am

He's coming Monday....
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