Septic tank lid

Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue May 14, 2013 8:34 am

It is surprising how well that orangeburg pipe holds up...considering it is basically pressed pitch and wood pulp.

Fred, it got that name because it was manufactured in Orangeburg, NY.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue May 14, 2013 9:18 am

That Sch 20 is so much cheaper than Sch 40. WTF something buried 3- 4 ft below earth is not the place to save a few pennies. People kill me. Do it right the first time. That is why I do things myself.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue May 14, 2013 10:07 am

Well, it lasted long enough to be the "next guy's" problem - just sucks when your that guy!

Orangeburg - so that's what that stuff is. That's a staple of MA. Every single underground pipe I've ever seen on private property around here has been made of that stuff. Used to find it in the woods all the time and shoot it full of holes. :lol: Always wondered what the hell it was made out of. Looks like some strange paper or cardboard layered and coated with tar. Never knew what they called it - that's the first time I've heard that name.

Looks like one hell of a job there Richard. I'd be swearing up a storm for sure on that one! ;)
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue May 14, 2013 10:54 am

freetown fred wrote:---never heard of that rolled tar paper deal???? Looks real good Richard


I never heard of it either, but it is was still working and structurally sound.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue May 14, 2013 10:55 am

Flyer5 wrote:That Sch 20 is so much cheaper than Sch 40. WTF something buried 3- 4 ft below earth is not the place to save a few pennies.


It was ovaled on the end but we were not taking it out because of the basement steps...
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue May 14, 2013 11:44 am

Actually, Orangeburg is not tar paper pressed together. It's wood pulp pressed together and then sealed with pitch. It was also more commonly used as electrical conduit but saw uses as waste water drainage and water delivery. I've got a small section of it in my basement that comes out of the crawl space. If it ever fails I'm screwed because there is no easy way to get it out without resupporting my house and then excavating where it is. The rest of my septic pipe is terracotta and PVC.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue May 14, 2013 11:54 am

I'm On Fire wrote:Actually, Orangeburg is not tar paper pressed together.


That's what the guy said... I have no idea. It looks like it's layered though.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue May 14, 2013 12:20 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:That Sch 20 is so much cheaper than Sch 40. WTF something buried 3- 4 ft below earth is not the place to save a few pennies.


It was ovaled on the end but we were not taking it out because of the basement steps...




Sorry I was referring to the person who botched the job last time.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue May 14, 2013 1:19 pm

Richard S. wrote:
I'm On Fire wrote:Actually, Orangeburg is not tar paper pressed together.


That's what the guy said... I have no idea. It looks like it's layered though.


Yeah, I see Flyer mentioned it before me. :) It does look like paper sandwiched together.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue May 14, 2013 9:31 pm

It feels like it when you break it. It's pretty strong, but once you shoot some holes through it, it'll crumble by hand fairly easily.

Pitch is nasty *censored*. Used to deal with that crap on all the flat roofs around here. Burns like mace when you spend the day ripping it off. Your eyes and skin hurt so bad you'll wish you were dead.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: gaw On: Tue May 14, 2013 9:39 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:
Richard S. wrote:
I'm On Fire wrote:Actually, Orangeburg is not tar paper pressed together.


That's what the guy said... I have no idea. It looks like it's layered though.


Yeah, I see Flyer mentioned it before me. :) It does look like paper sandwiched together.

Wrong again :!:

Orangeburg is JUNK, that’s all you need to know. You don’t have to dissect a turd to know it’s a turd. :idea:
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed May 15, 2013 4:11 am

Flyer5 wrote:

Sorry I was referring to the person who botched the job last time.


Yes I understood that Dave. ;)
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: Berlin On: Thu May 16, 2013 8:14 pm

Orangeberg pipe is made one of two ways, either wood fiber pressed with coal tar or wood fiber rolled into sheets and then pressed together with coal tars to form a pipe. The layered pipe tends to be the one that de-laminates.

I disagree about orangeberg pipe, I think it's great stuff that cost much less than cast or tile at the time. It suffers an undue bad rep because of the poor installation practices. Poor installation such as proper bedding, pitch and sealing of joints don't affect plastic like orangeberg, but an improper installation of any will lead to failure such as the experience richard is having currently with his pvc. Orangeberg was so widely used in inexpensive construction and because it's currently so old, it gets a undeserved bad reputation. I've seen orangeberg installed in higher end homes 70+ years old in crawlspaces with proper bedding, support (above ground) and pitch, as well as tarring of underground couplings and the pipe is in perfect PERFECT shape. I've also seen *censored* installations where the pipe has been installed poorly where it's collapsed ovaled, unsupported pitched improperly and full of roots, and it's amazing it was still being used.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: McGiever On: Thu May 16, 2013 10:30 pm

Orangeburg Pipe is composed of cellulose fibers mixed along with asbestos fibers and the coal tar.

It was commonly cut with a saw and the airborne fibers were easily inhaled by anyone near enough by. :sick:

Someone improved on this ( :roll: ) this by mixing cement and asbestos and formed it into a pipe...this was called "Transite"
Transite was also produced into sheets or panels and were used to build fire barriers, etc.
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Re: Septic tank lid

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu May 16, 2013 10:38 pm

That stuff is carrying water, gray water, & sewage around just about every home and business in MA. Most of it over 100 years old. We'll see if PVC makes it that long .... or, on second thought maybe we won't! :lol:
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