Trend in tire discontinuation

Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: snuffy On: Sun May 05, 2013 12:03 am

Has anyone here had difficulty getting new tires for vehicles?

My 2009 Toyota Tacoma Reg Cab (2X 4) (15,000 miles) had a nail in the side wall just where it curves and the tire has to be scrapped and that mean't the other too. :blowup: The size is 215/70-15. The original tires were Firestone Destination LE. Not only were they discontinued but so were the replacement Firestone Destination LE2. In less then 4 years??

Ended up ordering 2 Michelin Primacy due to mostly highway use.

This wouldn't be so strange if it wasn't for my 2000 VW Eurovan MV tires also being discontinued. :wtf: These are Michelin Agilis 205/65-15C. I guess I have to buy what's left out there and store them as I intend to keep this sweetie for atleast another 200K and then it becomes my 2nd home.
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun May 05, 2013 11:35 am

I usually never replace what came as OEM with the same. Not that I own many brand new vehicles ... but when I bought my Silverado brand new, that was one of the only vehicles I've ever seen where I would actually consider using those same tires again new. They were the optional 18" wheels, so that may have been why GM "splurged" for halfway decent tires on that.

Usually OEM's are the cheapest tires they could design without being sued for tire failure. There's plenty of other options out there that are MUCH, MUCH better in every way, IMO.

The reason they were probably discontinued is that most folks think they suck, (because they do) and told them so with their wallets. If they're not making any money, then they certainly won't keep producing them. ;)
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun May 05, 2013 4:04 pm

I like Cooper tires. I have the Discoverer A/T 3 on the F-250. They seem to be very well made (in USA).
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: mozz On: Sun May 05, 2013 4:07 pm

Firestone Destination LE Highway All-Season
Size: P215/70R15
Sidewall Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 97S
UTQG: 480 A B
Price: $99.00 (each)
Tirerack.com
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: snuffy On: Sun May 05, 2013 11:24 pm

I'm leary of mixing brands as I once owned a 83 Honda Civic and mixed the tire brands. The car kept tailing the back end in light snow and heavy rain. I then bought all the same brand and type of tire and never had the problem again. Tirerack states it has fewer then nine available. Given my luck lately I don't want to gamble an online purchase. I appreciate the suggestions however.
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: mozz On: Mon May 06, 2013 6:22 am

Tirerack is one of the best online places to buy tires. I have bought 4 or 5 complete sets from them. You just have to get them mounted and balanced locally.
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon May 06, 2013 9:20 am

That's where I've bought the last 10+ sets of tires from. I've got a tire machine and balancer so everyone comes here for tires. Out of all those sets, I had one tire with a defective bead. That was one of my Bridgestone Blizzaks. It had a kink in the steel belting around the bead, and would be impossible to hold air. I called Tire Rack, and by 12 noon the next day they picked up the old one and dropped off a new one! They are the BEST. I wouldn't steer ya wrong. ;)

Just make sure they're in the local warehouse ... or else your gonna pay BIG for shipping.
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: snuffy On: Mon May 06, 2013 11:29 pm

You guys make a good argument for Tirerack and I've been to that site a few times for information but was reluctant to buy. As I'm considering buying 4 more tires for my Eurovan, I was wondering about storage. I've got room in my basement and it's well conditioned thanks to the SF250, however, is it reasonable to store the new tires for at least 4 years till I need to mount them? And when mounted they could be on way longer as I only use this vehicle about 6,000 miles annually (both will be in the heated area of the garage again thanks to the SF250). Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: Freddy On: Wed May 08, 2013 5:30 am

Tires drive me crazy! It seems 6 or 8 years ago they started putting odd sizes on everything and the prices are double. NOW... you go to buy a regular size and you get "hardly anyone uses that size anymore so the price has doubled". Arghhhhhh!

Tires for the CRV are crazy expensive....and I'm reading the tires for the I-miev electric car are unheard of! Arghhhhh, again!
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: oros35 On: Wed May 08, 2013 9:00 am

I've found they always arn't really discontinued, just renamed. Possibly under a different brand under the same parent company. Still the same basic tire.

I like tire rack, never hear a bad thing. But I bought my last set off of discount tire direct.com, they have a Cooper ATP which is almost identical to the AT3, but significantly cheaper. They are only made for discounttiredirect by cooper because they sell that many tires.

And tire prices have doubled because raw materials have doubled too. There was a shortage of natural rubber that made the price skyrocket, and the price of oil feeds into it as well.
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed May 08, 2013 11:26 pm

snuffy wrote:You guys make a good argument for Tirerack and I've been to that site a few times for information but was reluctant to buy. As I'm considering buying 4 more tires for my Eurovan, I was wondering about storage. I've got room in my basement and it's well conditioned thanks to the SF250, however, is it reasonable to store the new tires for at least 4 years till I need to mount them? And when mounted they could be on way longer as I only use this vehicle about 6,000 miles annually (both will be in the heated area of the garage again thanks to the SF250). Thanks for any advice.

Just keep them far away from heat and sunlight, and they'll virtually last forever. I've had a motorcycle tire sitting in my dark basement for a year now. Might mount it up soon.

I fixed up a '83 Honda Nighthawk 650 for a buddy of mine - it had been parked indoors for 11 years, then spend a few months outside after that. The tires were hardly used, but the date code showed they were made some time in the middle of '00 - 12 years old last summer. I warned him they could have hardened, which would make them scary in tight corners. Well after I got her running, I flogged the *censored* out of it down some back roads around here, and they stuck like glue! I was impressed. We decided to run them as is. Goes to show that they will last when stored properly. A motorcycle is a perfect test subject, as you only have 2 tires ... and if you lose just one, things are gonna get hairy ... ;)
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: snuffy On: Thu May 09, 2013 10:52 pm

Thanks for the info Smitty. Now, do I spend $1,020 on 6 tires for another 100,000 miles or on 6 tons of nut? Some decisions suck, as I know where I'd rather spend it.
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: jpete On: Thu May 09, 2013 11:23 pm

Freddy wrote:Tires drive me crazy! It seems 6 or 8 years ago they started putting odd sizes on everything and the prices are double. NOW... you go to buy a regular size and you get "hardly anyone uses that size anymore so the price has doubled". Arghhhhhh!

Tires for the CRV are crazy expensive....and I'm reading the tires for the I-miev electric car are unheard of! Arghhhhh, again!


Don't forget your government at work. ;)

http://www.manufacturing.net/articles/2 ... -trade-war

Q: How much is this tire tariff?

A: Before this past Friday, there was a small tariff of 4 percent. But Obama's decision imposed an additional tariff of 35 percent for the first year, 30 percent for the second year and 25 percent for the third year.

Obama decided to impose trade penalties on Chinese tires after the U.S. International Trade Commission, an independent federal agency that provides trade policy advice to the government, ruled that an influx of the tires into the U.S. was hurting American producers.

The federal trade panel had recommended a 55 percent tariff in the first year, 45 percent in the second year and 35 percent in the third year.


So now that imported tires cost up to 35% more, what do you think the US manufacturers are going to do? Keep prices the same or raise them 30%? :D
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: mozz On: Fri May 10, 2013 6:27 am

That happened over 3 years ago.
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Re: Trend in tire discontinuation

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:28 am

I have a customer vehicle rolling out the door today that was right in the middle of this issue.

2009 Challenger R/T with a 5.7 Hemi under the hood.

Has A/M 20" wheels holding on TOYO Proxis 4 rubber. The tires are even staggered (different size front vs. back)
P245/45 ZR 20 103Y on 8.5" wide rim on the front and P275/40 ZR20 106Y on 10" wide rim mounted on the rear.

Customer forced off the road into a curb. It blew out the r.f. wheel and tire. The r.r. tire smacked the curb hard as well damaging the sidewall.

TOYO discontinued these tires plus they are 1/2 used up. So we had to buy all 4 tires to make this thing handle properly.

Insurance is only covering the 2 right side tires. The customer will have to pay for the left side.


One on the joys of being the owner is that I make the rules. So I decided that I would be the one to test drive this little beauty. We replaced 2 wheels and 4 HANKOOK Ventus V12 EVO tires. This vehicle had been modified a bit and now has a short throw 6 speed tranny in it. The customer told me how he drives the car and he does whoop it up a bit while driving. Me, as the trained professional that I am, :rofl: had to try to duplicate the owner's driving to make sure that there is nothing else wrong with the vehicle and that it will handle just as the owner drives it. I cannot stress how important it is for me to make sure the customer's vehicle is returned to him in the same condition that it was before the accident. :yes:

So out on the road I go. Get on the 4 lane road and open her up a bit. Hit the century mark in no time flat in 4th gear no less. Then turned onto some of the twisty back roads. Yep the handling is still there. Then out in front of the shop to make sure the quick acceleration capabilites are still there. (Also known as a burn out) Yep that still works. All in all a very successful test drive.


Yep sometimes I do like being the boss !!!!!!! :up: :out:



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