Scandal a Day? .. AP phone records Supoena

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PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu May 16, 2013 12:09 pm

I've read a few stories on this and have not seen any authoritative claim that DOJ's actions violated applicable laws or the "guidelines" you reference. The procedure DOJ used apparently had not been used frequently, if at all, in the past, but that doesn't make it inconsistent with the laws or guidelines.

FWIW, I also have read that the administration (yes, this administration) is already promoting legislation that in the future would restrict the procedure DOJ used in this case and extend the protections provided to the press, including prior notification. Sorry if that doesn't fit the "scandal a day" theme.

Mike
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PostBy: franco b On: Thu May 16, 2013 2:11 pm

Pacowy wrote:FWIW, I also have read that the administration (yes, this administration) is already promoting legislation that in the future would restrict the procedure DOJ used in this case and extend the protections provided to the press, including prior notification. Sorry if that doesn't fit the "scandal a day" theme.

So once they are caught they promise not to do it again. Don't most criminals say that? Until the next time.
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Re: Scandal a Day? .. AP phone records Supoena

PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu May 16, 2013 2:49 pm

Nobody was "caught" and nobody is "promising" anything. DOJ used a pre-existing, lawful procedure, and the administration is proposing to restrict use of that procedure in the future. So far, the only criminal activity here was the original leak.

Are you objecting to the substance of the change the administration is proposing?

Mike
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PostBy: franco b On: Thu May 16, 2013 3:48 pm

Pacowy wrote:Nobody was "caught"

How about exposed instead? And what is a push for new legislation if not a promise not to do it again?

Pretty clearly it violates press freedom. Whether that is or should be a criminal act is a matter of opinion. I think it is.
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Re: Scandal a Day? .. AP phone records Supoena

PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu May 16, 2013 4:54 pm

AFAIK DOJ's action was lawful and consistent with pre-existing guidelines - there's nothing to "expose". You can't make it criminal just because you don't like it. What you can do is change the law so that it doesn't lawfully happen that way in the future, and that's what they're trying to do. The administration apparently agrees with the proposition that there should be a tighter rein on such things, and is taking steps to do that. Is there something wrong with that?

Mike
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PostBy: franco b On: Thu May 16, 2013 7:01 pm

Pacowy wrote:The administration apparently agrees with the proposition that there should be a tighter rein on such things, and is taking steps to do that. Is there something wrong with that?

If that is what they believe,why do they believe it now, after their actions have been brought to light instead of before? Obviously they believe in what they can get away with and nothing else.
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PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu May 16, 2013 8:43 pm

That method of obtaining access to information from the press apparently had rarely, if ever, been used before. People at DOJ charged with responsibility for investigating the criminal leak of confidential information decided to use it. Its use raised bipartisan concerns with which the administration agrees, and is taking steps to address. Believe it or not, comparatively few people in DOJ and other federal agencies are political appointees, and they do not run every tactical decision they make through the White House. They do their work within constraints and guidelines established in statutes and regulations, which remain in place even when administrations change. AFAIK the decision was within the authority DOJ held at the time, and the administration agrees with the sentiment that such authority should be more tightly restricted.

Mike
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PostBy: lsayre On: Thu May 16, 2013 8:53 pm

I just got home form a week in central Missouri with limited access to a computer. While there I caught wind of Eric Holder recusing himself from testimony. What was that all about?
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu May 16, 2013 10:35 pm

I don't think HE knows! :roll:

If Holder doesn't know anything (Fast n Furious, AP phone tap) , obama doesn't know anything (all of the above) , and Hillary doesn't know anything (Benghazi), WHO THE HELL IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY??? :no1:

The buck stops with .......... WHO???
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri May 17, 2013 7:04 am

SMITTY wrote:I don't think HE knows! :roll:

If Holder doesn't know anything (Fast n Furious, AP phone tap) , obama doesn't know anything (all of the above) , and Hillary doesn't know anything (Benghazi), WHO THE HELL IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY??? :no1:

The buck stops with .......... WHO???




Doesn't it remind you of a bunch of kids. I don' know.
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