body work

body work

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Thu May 16, 2013 4:22 pm

The female unit backed her car into mine on friday, yay damage to both cars :roll: . Mine is a black 01 hyundai accent she wrinkeled the drivers door and caved in the metal behind it and hers well she will be driving it around with a cracked bumper. I took the back seat and inside panel off and popped most of it out with my foot. Then forced the door jam back out where it needs to be with a peice of firewood so the door opens and shuts right and no longer whistles.

I have seen many cars with half assed body repairs and they all look like hammered poop after a year and i dont want that. All the metals there so in theory it should go back with the right persuasion. I have got the basic contour of the side back but theres some high and low spots. I will try to find a dolly and slapping spoon to even them out but they are proving hard to find locally.

What kind of paint would be best? Im hoping krylon or rustoleum primer and paint will stick to the clear coat after some fine sanding. Im not going for showroom quality just somthing that will last 2-3 years without turning to crap.
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Re: body work

PostBy: Short Bus On: Fri May 17, 2013 12:42 am

The difficulty comes from the metal stretching during the bending and shrinking the steel is an art.

Search: shrinking steel on the web.
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Re: body work

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Fri May 17, 2013 10:10 am

Thank you short bus. I searched shrinking steel a little what I found was its basicly upseting the thinned areas that streched. I dont think there was enough streching to require heat. Im not afraid of ironing out the dents I dont know if oil based enamel type paint is compatible with the factory paint/clear coat.
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Re: body work

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri May 17, 2013 3:18 pm

Opps... thought this was the Massage Parlor Thread :lol:
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Re: body work

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat May 18, 2013 9:34 am

With the right metal hammer and a tub of Bondo, any damage can be made to look pretty again. :D ;)
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Re: body work

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Sun May 19, 2013 10:44 pm

carlherrnstein wrote:The female unit backed her car into mine on friday, yay damage to both cars :roll: . Mine is a black 01 hyundai accent she wrinkeled the drivers door and caved in the metal behind it and hers well she will be driving it around with a cracked bumper. I took the back seat and inside panel off and popped most of it out with my foot. Then forced the door jam back out where it needs to be with a peice of firewood so the door opens and shuts right and no longer whistles.


You know, this is what I tell a lot of people to do themselves. Then if they have problems to come back to see me. Everybody thinks that I and alot of other body shops are just rolling in the dough. That we overcharge and are a huge ripoff. And that a hammer and a 2 x 4 will straighten anything. So go ahead !!! But todays vehicles are a complex engineered design to protect the occupants. Do you have side impact airbags ?? Did the bending of the metal change anything that will affect the airbag timing ?? By you hammering it back are you sure that in another side impact, the protection will remain ?? If you sell the car, will you tell the buyer that you fixed it yourself ??

You see, I take occupant safety very seriously. If your door side impact inner beam was bent, it CANNOT be straightened.


carlhernstein wrote:I have seen many cars with half assed body repairs and they all look like hammered poop after a year and i dont want that. All the metals there so in theory it should go back with the right persuasion. I have got the basic contour of the side back but theres some high and low spots. I will try to find a dolly and slapping spoon to even them out but they are proving hard to find locally.



The problem with today's vehicles is that the metal is too damn thin. I would suggest you look at http://www.car-part.com. Type in your year, make, and model and see if there is a used door available. Just refinish the replacement and install. As far as the inner door post structure, I have a real problem with just hammering it back into shape.



carlhernstein wrote:What kind of paint would be best? Im hoping krylon or rustoleum primer and paint will stick to the clear coat after some fine sanding. Im not going for showroom quality just somthing that will last 2-3 years without turning to crap.


Today's auto paints are damn expensive. I don't think that anything other than auto paints will give you the resuls you are looking to achieve.


PM me and I can recommend some local shops that may be able to help you.





Rick
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Re: body work

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon May 20, 2013 6:44 am

I vote for finding a used door.

A lot of auto parts store now sell auto paint in a spray can. You can get color match and clear coat. It runs abut $21 a can around here. A door? I'd guess two cans of each.... AND... it won't be "body shop perfect", but, for the best, least expensive repair, that's my vote: Used door, color match paint.

I love this type of accident....No one was injured. Now I'm allowed to buy new tools and the female unit can't complain! "I need a new sander to do this job. No worries Honey, in the end it's still cheaper than the deductible of any insurance".
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Re: body work

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon May 20, 2013 7:00 am

Sooooo, what you guys are saying is----the old toilet plunger to the door probably won't work on these newer vehicles?????? DAMN--:clap: toothy
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Re: body work

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Mon May 20, 2013 8:28 am

Thanks for the words of wisdom rick I just think this hilljack is too dumb to understand what your saying toothy but i do understand where your coming from I know it take a lot of money to cover your overhead. The thing is this car has no side airbags and the damage is all in the sheet metal the stout metal post that reinforces the door post was not bent I left this part out its got just shy of 200000 miles on it so i figure I might have it for another year or so then it will go for scrap.

I went to harbor freight and got a dolly set and was able to straighten up the worst of it allthough its not perfect but i knew that going into it. The door just has a wrinkle down it where her bumper slid its way down it so i'll try to straigten it up a bit. I got some rustoleum fill primer, gloss black, and some gloss clear coat if the weather seems like it will be nice for a few days in a row I'll try spraying it.
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Re: body work

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon May 20, 2013 10:28 pm

freetown fred wrote:Sooooo, what you guys are saying is----the old toilet plunger to the door probably won't work on these newer vehicles?????? DAMN--,...

A toilet plunger will rip the damn door off any car built after '06 Fred! :lol:


Rick 386 wrote: ....... Today's auto paints are damn expensive. ........

You got that right!! INSANE expensive ... plus they gotta get mixed with reducer ... then the clear with activator ... then sandpaper that's gone up 4x in cost from what I remember just a short time ago. It's f'in INSANE! Thank the "good" ol' EPA for that one. :mad:

I hear the new fad is water-based paints. We'll be using fingerpaints by the end of this administration ...
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Re: body work

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue May 21, 2013 4:24 am

carlherrnstein wrote:I went to harbor freight and got a dolly set


Bingo! New tool.... Life is good.
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Re: body work

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Tue May 21, 2013 8:03 am

Freddy wrote:
carlherrnstein wrote:I went to harbor freight and got a dolly set


Bingo! New tool.... Life is good.


She allmost started to say somthing :D
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Re: body work

PostBy: samhill On: Tue May 21, 2013 3:51 pm

I go along with Freetown on this one a good toilet plunger & a little black magic is all you need. Your going for drive ability not resale value, two years ago I stopped & helped a Ohio guy put his truck bed back on, the cargo strap that held it frayed so he just squared knotted it back together & tightened it up. Heck this might even be legal in Ohio. http://www.killsometime.com/videos/9121 ... ill-Drives
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Re: body work

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed May 22, 2013 10:22 am

:lol: Hey, if it runs & you don't live in communist MA, then have at it!

Pretty sad the people of IRAQ have more rights on the road than the residents of MASSACHUSETTS .... :sick:
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Re: body work

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Thu May 23, 2013 12:03 pm

SMITTY wrote:...............................

I hear the new fad is water-based paints. We'll be using fingerpaints by the end of this administration ...



Water based paints are only the basecoat paint. We still use solvent based primers and clears. Bunch of bull...... if you ask me.

A lot of shops have switched to water based paint. And then boast how environment friendly they are. All hype...........

Plus the shelf life is only about 6 months on the tints before they MUST be replaced. Gets damn expensive if you do not do a lot of spraying and have to start buying new tints. But everyone wants to have their own mixing machine. Doesn't make too much sense to me. But what do I know ??????? I'm just a dumb bullheaded PA Dutchman......


Just heard a new one last night. Supposedly they are coming out with some type of paint that the consumer can spray on their own car using a wagner power sprayer. And if they want, they can peel it off and change colors later. Great, just freaking great. Can't wait to see these results .......
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