End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:57 pm

Maybe a different brand, or type of refractory material would work better in that situation ?

The fire bricks that came with my wood stove are like the fire bricks you can buy in stove shops. But, they are a very different weight and density compared to the 100 + year old fire brick lining of my range. And, both of which are different than any refractory material I have from three different sources, including a 25 pound box that I got from a commercial furnace repair supplier.

No two brands seem to be the same density, so maybe a switch to another brand ?

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:21 pm

I got some pics.. Tracking says I should have the cast iron liner in two days. Will be just in time by the looks of it. I'm seeing pieces come off at every shake down!
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:56 pm

Apparently some disgruntlement at the homefront with the spousal unit. I only shook it down so it could burn out while I was at work today. The new cast iron liner is awaiting installation..
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

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Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: KingCoal On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:34 pm

:mad: ,priceless

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: DSM 1400, Riteway # 37, Comforter Stove Works
Coal Size/Type: Nut Anth.
Other Heating: none
Stove/Furnace Model: 2013 1400 Circulator

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:37 pm

That is TOO funny! :lol:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:23 pm

Yep I'm afraid its all fun and games until the coal furnace goes cold. You guys may not hear from me for a few hours. Do not pass go or collect $200.. No dinner till Ashley is making heat. Tty soon!
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:35 pm

Installation done and we're up and running! Wow big job though. I'm glad the furnace was totally burned out and cool by the time I got to it. I gutted the whole thing. Pulled the grates, frames, both liners and all the fire bricks. Did a total clean out. Below are pics of the new liner and of the refractory cement cast that was starting to fail...
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:50 pm

Looks great Lee. I'm not the biggest fan of having to clean out a stove to fix something, or put something back........but I love the new clean stove fire :)
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:06 am

Thanks Mike! It will take a few days for her to heal after that surgery. I've noticed that I need to let her run with more primary combustion air to maintain the same temps after a total clean out. It seems that after a few days that ash fills in the gaps between the fire bricks and around the frame which directs more air up thru the center of the coal bed.

I also made a change with the insulation behind the liners. In the past I put some on the top and bottom. This time I only put some at the top. I'm hoping this way will allow the combustion air to help take some heat from the liners to prevent warpage or burn thru again.

The insulation is needed to prevent primary air from bypassing the coal bed which is a huge issue with this particular unit and is the main reason these appliances get a bad wrap with burning anthracite.
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:38 am

[quote="Lightning"]Thanks Mike! It will take a few days for her to heal after that surgery. I've noticed that I need to let her run with more primary combustion air to maintain the same temps after a total clean out. It seems that after a few days that ash fills in the gaps between the fire bricks and around the frame which directs more air up thru the center of the coal bed.

I also made a change with the insulation behind the liners. In the past I put some on the top and bottom. This time I only put some at the top. I'm hoping this way will allow the combustion air to help take some heat from the liners to prevent warpage or burn thru again.

The insulation is needed to prevent primary air from bypassing the coal bed which is a huge issue with this particular unit and is the main reason these appliances get a bad wrap with burning anthracite.[/quote]

I think most will agree that (we) I forgot you took a combo/wood burner, and after your divine interventions your furnace can proudly proclaim " I am a coalaholic :) "...you have helped many, "catch the mist, catch the......"
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:53 am

Catch the mist, catch the myth
Catch the mystery, catch the drift!

:punk: :rockon:
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:16 am

I think I would try again, but put a piece of 1/4 inch mesh in the mix. After all concrete is only good with steel in it. The 2ft x 2ft concrete patio blokes have heavy wire in them, and the panels in my fake fireplace have some kind of mesh in them.
Perhaps taper the side that contacts the coal to help it slide rather then bind on that square edge. I was so neat it is worth another try!

Kevin
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:36 am

Hi Kevin! Thanks for your interest.. :) I'll try again if the cast iron fails again. I've learned a lot from this experience and I want to thank everyone who contributed... :D
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: End of Season Clean Out - Rear Liner Burn Thru Clayton

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:09 am

Lee, I've also learned a lot from your experiences. Although I'm not using anthracite, your posts have helped me tremendously with my Clayton.

I will add, that the Bituminous coal that I'm burning now, acts very very much like the anthracite that you guys are using. I get the blue ladies and no smoke.

Keep playin so I can learn :D :D
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous. Labeled as 'Big Vein', about the size of acorns. Makes a lot of ash, but heats well and lasts longer than my previous coal.

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