Terrorist Attack in streets of London

Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: KLook On: Sat May 25, 2013 9:56 am

I read through this with interest and there seems to be a couple of lines of reasoning.
1: F em, kill em all.
2: Its our fault, we have ignored history and tried to "manage" them. And it is all about oil and such.
3: Cut off all ties, stop feeding them, don't buy their oil, contain them.

I tend to agree with Jpete, but I think if we just cut off all support and shut them down economically, the rulers will place the blame for the suffering on us and we will see an increase in violence here. But that might only work if we don't tighten border security. I think we have a significant population within this country right now that is already radicalized and will step it up a notch when we tighten up on the homeland.
Still, I agree with isolation of these countries and an end to monetary support and military support. We all know that there will be arms dealing as the money is huge but the risk should be carried by the contractors.
Also consider that after Desert Storm the the population was devastated when we did not continue the battle. They were massacred by Suddam for helping or agreeing with us. How many people, women especially will be murdered by the Taliban if we walk out of Afghanistan? Just like the population in S. Vietnam when we pulled out. What do you do with them?

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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat May 25, 2013 10:44 am

Violence is violence. It is everywhere, nothing will stop that. All you can hope is that #1-you aren't targeted for violence and #2- that if you are, you are ready. If you are currently living with your head in the sand buried up to your shoulders, I do not feel bad for you. Live your life how you want, but if you turn a blind eye to the violence that is creeping along behind you, waiting to strike, then you reap what you sow. If you are raising your kids with this hippy lover everybody, give everyone a trophy, never say the word gun philosophy, then so be it. When the wolf comes calling, bad things are going to happen.

Why did people stand around and watch a man get hacked to death? The same reason 100s of people sat on a plane and allowed box cutter wielding assailants fly the very planes they were on into buildings. The same reason movie theaters get shot up. The same reason schools get shot up. Violence lives and breathes around us, and we have been programmed over the years to just ignore it and carry on.

Not me. I see the absolute worst in people. Everyone is an enemy at any time. Most think this is a terrible way to live, and maybe it is. Maybe it is a curse, but it has served me well thus far.

Disarm your citizens and you will see groups of people stand around and watch a man get beheaded. Don't think it can happen in the good ole' US of A? Think again. It could just as easily happen on the streets of NYC, Chicago, or any other city that has taken away it's citizen's rights to defend themselves.

I never, ever thought in a million years that I would say this, but for ONCE I agree with Sam. We need to stop being the police of the world and stop being the rescuers of the world and start worrying about our own for once. Pull out of these countries and let them kill each other off. We need to start being a country that makes it's own goods and services and stops importing everything. At work the apples have stickers on them that say Chile. Really? We are importing apples from Chile? Lets take care of our own. Lets dig our own oil wells. Lets grow our own food. Lets shut down our borders and stop the millions of potential bombers from coming in and out of our country. This is a pipe dream of course, but on my own little slice of ground I do this very thing. Self sufficiency is the name of the game. That is all I can do. The American Dream is dead and gone and the hope of the government to not complete screw us up is also dead and gone. Tough times call for tough people, and this is just the very tip of the iceberg we are sliding down.

Peace? As the saying goes, sometimes violence IS the only answer.
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat May 25, 2013 7:53 pm

Rwalker is SO right... I've made a serious effort to never use or buy anything thats not made right here in USA, I regret many purchases and many acts and I'm changing my whole mentality.
I wish & hope everyone in this country does the same thing because it would be such a HUGE solution to so so so many things... economy, terrorism, health, etc.

I can remember being in a restaurant years ago when there was a ca-motion in the far end group tabZYD3SHIPle when some wine glassed went flying, i looked and noticed a woman standing grasping the table with terror in her eyes, everyone watched & looked and after what seemed an eternity with nobody doing anything i ran across the resturant... looked at her in the eyes and asked "are you choking"...she nodded in total silence... I then got behind her and wrapped my arms around her and started trying to do the hymlic (with zero training, i kept pulling inward at her mid section so many times and so hard i thought i was seriously going to injure her...OMFG no luck :cry: .... she's now going totally limp in my arms!!! fainted over the table (more dishes smashing) with my arms exhausted holding her and still pulling with all my might!!! BOOM...as soon as she fell forward over the table and i kept compressing a HUGE chuck of steak spilled out her mouth and all i could her was a HUGE intake of air! :dancing: she regained consciousness instantly with that gasp of air and I asked her "did I hurt you"... she responded with a huge hug, tears streaming down her face and the entire restaurant of about 100 people stood and cheered :clap:

I walked back to my table, the waiters fixed their table and called for the ambulance to stop coming (they came anyways, and checked her and she chose to stay with her family at the restaurant). The manager brought me gift certificate to the restaurant and my bill was paid for. Back to what Rwalker was saying... 100 people did nothing!!!!!!! me... I'm just a Lil nobody with no education and I had to go across a 100 foot crowded restaurant to get to her :mad: Yes....we all need to be ready and be aware and NOT be scared to step up to bat when are time is called upon!
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun May 26, 2013 9:46 am

and thus the reason for more than one clip filled with 30....... 8-)
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun May 26, 2013 4:58 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:and thus the reason for more than one clip filled with 30....... 8-)


Im not walking around with a AK & bannana clip during daily activities :mad: Glock 17 w/ a 10 round clip and a few more nearby (glove, house, etc.) is fine for daily life.
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Sun May 26, 2013 8:10 pm

Rwalker wrote:Peace? As the saying goes, sometimes violence IS the only answer.


Si vis pacem, para bellum.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

Rick,

I too see enemies more than I see friends. This world is full of terrible people. It's only getting worse. I believe we should close our borders. Round all the illegals and those who hate us and deport them. We should pull out of all these countries; but we should also turn their lands to glass before we leave. War may not be the answer; but done correctly it works. What we're doing now doesn't. We need leadership who isn't afraid to push the button. You come to my home and slaughter my people; I will respond in kind.
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun May 26, 2013 10:23 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:
Rwalker wrote:Peace? As the saying goes, sometimes violence IS the only answer.


Si vis pacem, para bellum.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

Rick,

I too see enemies more than I see friends. This world is full of terrible people. It's only getting worse. I believe we should close our borders. Round all the illegals and those who hate us and deport them. We should pull out of all these countries; but we should also turn their lands to glass before we leave. War may not be the answer; but done correctly it works. What we're doing now doesn't. We need leadership who isn't afraid to push the button. You come to my home and slaughter my people; I will respond in kind.



The pussified way we retaliate for an attack on us is the reason. If someone attacks me I will hit them hard if that does not change their mind I will do as necessary to end the threat. And be done and on my way.
The way we try to occupy a country is pathetic. If a terror cell attacks us we need to hit them hard and say do not do it again. If they get up and try it again destroy them and leave. Leave a message that attacks on US citizens will not be tolerated.
Remember how quiet Kadaffi was after Reagan parked a bomb behind his home. He was spewing his rhetoric all over till that day. Then not a mumble.
Our mistake is spending time in these countries. Hit hard, fast and leave. Show we mean business and as long as we are left alone they will not be extinguished.
Guerrilla/ Urban warfare only creates more hostility and is way too expensive with US blood. If a terrorist hits our country an is tied to a terrorist camp in some foreign country. Carpet bomb that terrorist camp and move on.
This idea that we have to be friends with our enemies is total BS.
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: KLook On: Sun May 26, 2013 10:56 pm

Walk softly but carry a big stick comes to mind. I wish we would wield it in retaliation occasionally. The populations affected by our retribution would grow tired of the gnats that provoked us. We do not need to occupy anymore to strike effectively.

Kevin
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: jpete On: Sun May 26, 2013 11:10 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:You come to my home and slaughter my people; I will respond in kind.


Maybe that's the philosophy that got us here?
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun May 26, 2013 11:13 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:
Rwalker wrote:Peace? As the saying goes, sometimes violence IS the only answer.


Si vis pacem, para bellum.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

Rick,

I too see enemies more than I see friends. This world is full of terrible people. It's only getting worse. I believe we should close our borders. Round all the illegals and those who hate us and deport them. We should pull out of all these countries; but we should also turn their lands to glass before we leave. War may not be the answer; but done correctly it works. What we're doing now doesn't. We need leadership who isn't afraid to push the button. You come to my home and slaughter my people; I will respond in kind.



The pussified way we retaliate for an attack on us is the reason. If someone attacks hit them hard if that does not change their mind do as necessary to end the threat. And be done and on the way.
The way we try to occupy a country is pathetic. If a terror cell attacks us we need to hit them hard and say do not do it again. If they get up and try it again destroy them and leave. Leave a message that attacks on US citizens will not be tolerated.
Remember how quiet Kadaffi was after Reagan parked a bomb behind his home. He was spewing his rhetoric all over till that day. Then not a mumble.
Our mistake is spending time in these countries. Hit hard, fast and leave. Show we mean business and as long as we are left alone they will not be extinguished.
Guerrilla/ Urban warfare only creates more hostility and is way too expensive with US blood. If a terrorist hits our country an is tied to a terrorist camp in some foreign country. Carpet bomb that terrorist camp and move on.
This idea that we have to be friends with our enemies is total BS.
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon May 27, 2013 6:40 am

Its good someone remembers how epic a pres. Reagan was (I noted this on the best pres thread) but its worth re-iterating here with a vid for those who don't recall how badly we attacked another country (in a time before smart bombs and drones even!!!), we simply sent in air strikes and we tore up the main buildings of Kaddafi's along with any Innocent's that might have been around those areas (we can pinpoint much better today if we wanted to). Listen to Reagan talk here its the best one i can find...

"This guy was pro, nobody in congress stopped him (they could have), nobody world wide stopped him (UN tried and was against him)... He then said "I will do it now, I'm going to do it again and again and again every day I'm alive when I see ANYONE believe & feel that they can attack a US citizen anywhere they wish with impunity"<<<<< He explained that most of the Libyan people are a good people and whom we care for and love, BUT he explained in so many words that innocent woman & children will be dieing alongside Kaddafi if they allow him to have a place in their country!!!NOW THATS A FREEKING PRESIDENT STANDING UP FOR HIS COUNTRYMEN WITH B@LLS OF IRON basically saying he is going to kill Innocent civilians of another country until such a time as Lybia & Kadafi fully believe they cannot kill a US citizen with impunity.

We never sent troupes into Lybia and we haven't heard "Boo" from them ever since Reagan! Why is this so hard for another president to achieve? As I sayed in another thread... just give me one more pres. like a Reagan or a Kennedy in my lifetime please :taz:
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Mon May 27, 2013 9:12 am

jpete wrote:
I'm On Fire wrote:You come to my home and slaughter my people; I will respond in kind.


Maybe that's the philosophy that got us here?


Nope.

December 7th 1941 Japan attacked us over an embargo over oil. We refused to supply them with oil so they could continue their war with China. By attacking us we were dragged into the war. four years later we retalliated by dropping a bomb on Hiroshima with an ultimatum; "Surrender or we'll level another city." Japan's leaders refused to surrender. We dropped another bomb on Nagasaki and again asked for their surrender and told them, "Tokoyo is next if you refuse.". They surrendered.

In today's age, we go into a country, fight with it, occupy it and then tell them..."we're sorry. " WHAT? We're sorry? They drop a couple of planes on a few of our buildings and we again apologize. WHAT?

No, we have a bunch of whiney bitches in office. That's why we have problems. If our leaders would go in, wipe an army or organization out and say, "Do it again and we'll level your lands, turn your sands to glass and your people to ashes." We wouldn't have such problems as religious fanatics shooting up a city during a marathon or a religious fanatic cutting a guy's head off with a spoon on a crowded street or a couple of religious fanatics flying planes into a building.
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: jpete On: Mon May 27, 2013 9:48 am

So you don't consider the US embargo of Japan an attack?

What do we call it when OPEC limits the supply of oil?
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Mon May 27, 2013 10:01 am

jpete wrote:So you don't consider the US embargo of Japan an attack?

What do we call it when OPEC limits the supply of oil?


So, you think that the US should've funded Japan's war on China? And that's ok?

No, I do not consider an embargo on oil an attack. By your logic the trade embargo the US holds against Cuba is an attack. Cuba then has every right to imprison US people and point and fire missiles at Florida. :roll2:
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Re: Terrorist Attack in streets of London

PostBy: franco b On: Mon May 27, 2013 10:21 am

Remember that a large scale attack on Muslims is exactly what the terrorists want, so advocating that is to side with the terrorists. An attack by an outside force is the only way they will achieve solidarity, otherwise they revert back to killing each other.

Reagan's response in Libya was measured, and targeted the man responsible for terrorist attacks, not an entire group.
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