Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu May 30, 2013 12:26 am

Glenn Beck had some lesson plans from the 18th & 19th century that he showed and discussed on his show several months ago. In the 1700's 4th graders were getting the equivalent of what our SENIORS in high school get now as far as math goes.

As Glenn pointed out on that episode, George Washington was SURVEYING LAND at age EIGHT. By 16 he was earning a living surveying!

We've not just been dumbed down, we've been dropped on our head while huffing ETHER! :shock:
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu May 30, 2013 12:35 am

wsherrick wrote: Elementary level math problems then were based on real world applications.


My niece is in 3rd grade and is learning Algebra.... It's basic Algebra but still Algebra. I even gave her a basic question and she answered it, truthfully I was floored they were teaching it that young. I don't remember doing algebra until 8th grade.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu May 30, 2013 12:41 am

9th grade for me ... and I failed it miserably ... :lol:

If they had started us that young I probably would have had an easier time with it.

I still remember kindergarten like it was yesterday. After we got the important stuff down ( drawing letters of the alphabet within the lines of the specially lined paper), we spent the day watching movies and coloring. :roll:

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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu May 30, 2013 1:00 am

SMITTY wrote:I still remember kindergarten like it was yesterday. After we got the important stuff down ( drawing letters of the alphabet within the lines of the specially lined paper), we spent the day watching movies and coloring. :roll:

Your tax dollars at work!


In first grade they still had a "play" section. Once you completed an assignment you could go and play. Back to the desk when the rest of the class was done.

The only trouble I ever had with math, algebra or geometry was the monotony. I wasn't good enough to be in the gifted program but smart enough that I was either twiddling my thumbs or doing the same damn problem for hundredth time I learned the first time. Memorization task were my sworn enemy but I think it helped me a lot in the end, I never memorized the times tables. I had little shortcuts to do it in my head, 8X9 was 80 - 8. That wasn't very efficient for small numbers but as I got older I was able to much larger numbers both multiplication and division, lost that skill because I never used it much after HS.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 30, 2013 8:12 am

The biggest problem I see is in most cases the teachers are told how to teach (they used to figure out what worked best on their own) at least in Pa. we have school boards & a Dept. of Ed. that dictate everything from methods to books. Then when kids come home if there is anyone (parent wise)instead of having them sit down & do homework they sit & play on the I-phone or some other electronic device to stay out of the way, or just told to get out of the house. I'm not saying all here just generalization, if I didn't have homework (rare) I would have to read the newspaper & then would discuss what I found interesting. Then again newspapers had actual news & articles that weren't bias one way or the other, that was left for the editorials. Now many are just taught which key to press or app to use, if the power grid ever goes down we are doomed in a short period of time.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu May 30, 2013 10:03 am

samhill wrote: Now many are just taught which key to press or app to use, if the power grid ever goes down we are doomed in a short period of time.


That's a double edged sword, you can concentrate on teaching them how to do basic math on paper but in the meantime kids in other schools and countries are learning advanced math becsue they are using a calculator. Ir's kind of like teaching someone the architecture of a wheel instead of teaching them how to drive.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 30, 2013 10:09 am

True Richard but IMO it's much more beneficial to know both, unless if all you want them to be able to do is match up a big-mac to a picture on a key but then if the register goes down your out of luck.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu May 30, 2013 10:23 am

SMITTY wrote:9th grade for me ... and I failed it miserably ... :lol:

If they had started us that young I probably would have had an easier time with it.

I still remember kindergarten like it was yesterday. After we got the important stuff down ( drawing letters of the alphabet within the lines of the specially lined paper), we spent the day watching movies and coloring. :roll:

Your tax dollars at work!


Same here, except I never took anything beyond basic algebra and failed it. In fact I had five years of basic math in four years of high school and failed it every time. I even had a tutor at one point. I don't like math, I have a lot of trouble doing math but I was able to come up with a design for a spacer that fit between the differential and ring gear of an A670 31Th 3 speed Chrysler transmission so I could put a locker in it. When I took the design to the machine shop and he mic'd it all up and started working on it he discovered I was 1/1000th of an inch off on my measurements. When he asked me how I came to my measurements I told him I used a tape measure. He was impressed that I was that close and said the difference was negligible and made the spacer with my dimensions. I slapped it in and drove the car for 6 months before I sold it.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu May 30, 2013 10:28 am

samhill wrote:The biggest problem I see is in most cases the teachers are told how to teach (they used to figure out what worked best on their own) .....

Your 100% spot on Sam. I heard all about it from my mom - she taught 4th grade in a less than "stellar" neighborhood in Worcester. Everything revolved around "the test" - in MA that's the MCAS. What worked for years was thrown out the window for one-size-fits-all education. Really sad. These kids will be screwed as adults.

This is a nationwide problem. Check out this teacher's resignation. It's a long vid, but listen to what she says - all 100% true.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05 ... education/
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu May 30, 2013 10:54 am

If you chose to hang around 'brighter individuals', some of the 'brightness' will rub off. Nothing we get is without a price, even though some political parties would differ in that assessment. As we suffer through this difficult economic period, you can either be smart; crooked, or more typically: Smart AND Crooked. Years ago it not as easy to do the latter, but politicians figured out a way!

Hey, bet there were no welfare cards issued for dead folks.....AND still used by dishonest folks. Wait, in Mass.....perhaps.

I do recall MANY bright kids around today, and am amazed that they have abilities many of us do not. Please don't sell us out in a 'Short Sale', we need all those bright kids to help solve our issues. :idea: :idea:
Cream rises to the top, always will!! :idea:
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: jpete On: Thu May 30, 2013 11:28 am

whistlenut wrote:Cream rises to the top, always will!! :idea:


So does scum. I.E. Washington D.C.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu May 30, 2013 12:10 pm

jpete wrote:
whistlenut wrote:Cream rises to the top, always will!! :idea:


So does scum. I.E. Washington D.C.


This is all starting to remind me the first sentance of my tag line.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu May 30, 2013 5:15 pm

Actually Cream is much more buoyant and rises, while the 'scum' settles out to the bottom. Hence, we are all looking at the bottom feeders when we THINK we are looking at the surface. When you see a 'floater' in Washington, it is only because of the gaseous bubbles forming and causing the drifting back to the surface as they rot. It is easy to tell the 'Cream from the Scum': one is delightful in coffee and whipped cream, the other STINKS worse as the ROT progresses. :idea: :!: :sick: :mad:
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: jpete On: Thu May 30, 2013 5:40 pm

I'm going to make millions on my new game show "Are You Smarter Than An 18th Century Fifth Grader?" :D
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