Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: wsherrick On: Wed May 29, 2013 2:52 am

Here is an interesting abstract from a study done on intelligence. It gives evidence to illustrate that the average person living during the late 19th Century, early 20th was smarter than the average person today. In fact according to the paper, they were substantially so.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289613000470
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed May 29, 2013 4:44 am

how did they test 100 year old people at the same time they tested 20 year old people at the same place in time :lol:
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed May 29, 2013 8:40 am

Considering the deterioration of the common sense concept, how could these results have come out any differently???? A question I've always asked myself after reading stupid studies like this is----wait for it-----what's the fix? :clap: toothy
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Wed May 29, 2013 9:15 am

FF

If all the gloom and doom proselytized hereabouts these parts comes to pass , Darwinism will fix it. Grim for sure, but equally as certain. Im not takin any chances. Ive stowed away enough beer to last a thousand years :beer:
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: franco b On: Wed May 29, 2013 9:49 am

From reading Victorian authors it's obvious that readers at that time had a wider vocabulary indicating to me better schooling even at the basic level.

In other areas such as animal studies they were less than primitive in their understanding. They were dumb as rocks.

I very much doubt they were on average any smarter and given the widespread poverty with it's accompanying poor nutrition were probably not as smart on average as today.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Wed May 29, 2013 11:26 am

dcrane wrote:how did they test 100 year old people at the same time they tested 20 year old people at the same place in time :lol:


Time Machines. Duh. :D
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed May 29, 2013 12:15 pm

If you have ever read any of the many recovered letters from the Civil War era (presumably from just your run of the mill back woods farmer/soldiers) that they wrote to the family and loved ones back home, the consistent level of eloquence and high quality English therein would immediately let you know that what we assume were merely home schooled or self-educated back woods types were well beyond our current capabilities.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: franco b On: Wed May 29, 2013 1:44 pm

lsayre wrote:If you have ever read any of the many recovered letters from the Civil War era (presumably from just your run of the mill back woods farmer/soldiers) that they wrote to the family and loved ones back home, the consistent level of eloquence and high quality English therein would immediately let you know that what we assume were merely home schooled or self-educated back woods types were well beyond our current capabilities.

Good point. I have marveled at that too. But we don't have all the letters, only those that someone saw fit to print. I am pretty sure if you could examine all the letters home today you would find some good ones too.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed May 29, 2013 2:32 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:
dcrane wrote:how did they test 100 year old people at the same time they tested 20 year old people at the same place in time :lol:


Time Machines. Duh. :D



:lol: :lol: :clap:
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Wed May 29, 2013 3:15 pm

waldo lemieux wrote:FF

If all the gloom and doom proselytized hereabouts these parts comes to pass , Darwinism will fix it. Grim for sure, but equally as certain. Im not takin any chances. Ive stowed away enough beer to last a thousand years :beer:


It will be skunked my friend by the time you get to enjoy it all ... :flush:
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: wsherrick On: Wed May 29, 2013 4:43 pm

dcrane wrote:how did they test 100 year old people at the same time they tested 20 year old people at the same place in time :lol:


Read the study and see how they determined their conclusion.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed May 29, 2013 5:40 pm

The CN theorem, there are coal burners and then the rest of humanity. Oh and on intelligence modeling, not so easy.

http://willsavive.blogspot.com/2011/06/ ... odels.html
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: jpete On: Wed May 29, 2013 5:40 pm

lsayre wrote:If you have ever read any of the many recovered letters from the Civil War era (presumably from just your run of the mill back woods farmer/soldiers) that they wrote to the family and loved ones back home, the consistent level of eloquence and high quality English therein would immediately let you know that what we assume were merely home schooled or self-educated back woods types were well beyond our current capabilities.


A bit NSFW but to the point. :)

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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed May 29, 2013 10:47 pm

franco b wrote:From reading Victorian authors it's obvious that readers at that time had a wider vocabulary indicating to me better schooling even at the basic level.


How many people could read though? You don't have large population that can read in that time and most of those that can probably had a stellar education.
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Re: Average Victorians Were Smarter Than Us, Study Finds

PostBy: wsherrick On: Thu May 30, 2013 12:21 am

Literacy rates in the United States were very high during the late 19th Century. I still have my Grandfather's school books from that era. They are written at a much higher level than any University Text printed today. The average 6th grade education in 1900 was far, far more complete than graduating High School today. Elementary level math problems then were based on real world applications. Word problems about if you were paid X amount per day and your rent was X and this was X and you needed a new pair of shoes that cost 50 Cents and you have a nickel left over each day, how long must you save your nickels to buy the pair of shoes. Examples such as this and how to write checks, how compound interest works. The virtue of work and thrift. All of this was found in a third or fourth grade level math book.
Reading the Prefaces of these books is most informative. They all stressed the need to learn how to think, that facts meant nothing without the ability to think.
Of course education was not compulsory then. You had to have the desire to go and you had to pay for your own books. My grandfather worked in a saw mill to pay for his education. He also had to work from a young age to support a house hold with 12 younger brothers and sisters. By age 16 he was a clerk in a dry goods store. By age twenty he was a book keeper. By the time the 20's rolled around he was an accountant and owned his own home and had the most expensive Pontiac you could get at that time.

He lived in a World where nobody handed you anything, you had to have the desire to earn it and then do so. Life was tough for the average person then and perhaps that hardness is what made them able to accomplish so much.
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