Case VAC, no oil pressure

Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:31 pm

Don't use this tractor often but now I need it bad.

Tons of gas in the oil so I changed the oil. Oil pressure says zero and the tappets are noisy and so I am working through things. The main question is sea foam, has anybody had any luck with cleaning out the engine with this stuff. I know I had a mason jar around here to check the oil flow but have not looked to see if that little tube in the oil filter is there or not. I have mostly ignored this cutie as I did not have a real need but now things have changed..... She runs fine and I wish to make sure it stays that way - time for some TLC.. 17 golden horses and to own one is to be in love. I mean she is only 60 years old, just run in.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:28 pm

I'm personally an old Marvel Mystery Oil kinda guy.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:25 pm

Did you miss the half century maintenance?
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:06 pm

:lol: Only something built a half century ago could still run after that. 8-)


I, personally, don't believe in any "mechanic-in-a-can" products ... but I've heard and read lots of good things about Seafoam. So good in fact that it has loosened up so much crud in old engines that it blocks the oil pump screen and causes core meltdown! Apparently it's great for cleaning .... but it's how to get it all out of your oil pan when you do.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:48 am

Did you miss the half century maintenance?


Nobody likes a wise ass and a correct wise ass is REAL annoying. I thought they ran for ever, you mean I have to do this stuff EVERY 50 years, that's very annoying. OK then Indian medicine man, how much MMO. That leave the old c rap alone seems correct as the released crud must go somewhere and unless you get lucky right into the oil galleys I'm even thinking non detergent oil.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:35 am

They sell a small bottle & a larger bottle--I always go with the bigger & dump the whole thing in the crank case--my 8N even stopped smoking on start up & just sounds 100% better. Just drain oil pan/ filter in a few days & use whatever oil you think is best for the old girl :)
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:57 am

I have a gallon can that must be nearly as old as the tractor, perfect! I will give it a try and let you know. NEPA, the source of all knowledge.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:01 am

My grandfather used to dump a bit of MMO in the fuel tank of all his cars. We used to do it for a little while on our 2-stroke dirt bikes ... until I realized I could save a buck by NOT doing it. :lol:
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:48 am

We used to do it for a little while on our 2-stroke dirt bikes ... until I realized I could save a buck by NOT doing it.


You are from MA so I have to ask. You know that 2 stroke engines require oil to be mixed in the gas from the gitgo...... HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHA.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:12 pm

Back to work, after a ten year rest in the tractor shed - it's time. Try that with your modern tractors.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: Freddy On: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:10 pm

She's lookin' good for an old gal!
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: wilder11354 On: Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:41 pm

Nice tractor. -14 model is it? wide front, eagle hitch lift system? i have a vac-14 not as nice, but with eagle setup,wide front, did a clutch/rear main seal a few years back. can't remember what drives oil pump, off cam or ditributor drive?? thats one thing i don't care for is screen in sump for filtering oil. i run straight 30 detergent oil in mine. change oil once a year, don't use it very much. But will starting this year for raking & tedding hay.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:29 am

one thing i don't care for is screen in sump for filtering oil


... and I think that is a problem for me as I think it is partially blocked. So sump off one day soon when I have the time. My clutch is at then end of it's life too so all these things are in it's future. Legendary machine. The eagle hitch has a sensitivity that is is unique in the application shown as it's all done without expensive to fix hydraulics. You have inspired me, I need to give this unit a little more TLC.
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: oros35 On: Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:51 am

coalnewbie wrote:Tons of gas in the oil so I changed the oil. Oil pressure says zero and the tappets are noisy and so I am working through things.

Hope you didn't run it long with gas in the oil. That will trash your bearings in a hurry!

Been there done that. Had a JD B that the fuel bowl leaked by, so did the float needle, and due to the design it drained the gas tank into the crankcase. Put a solid 2 gallons of fuel into the oil. Only ran if for a few minutes before we noticed something was wrong, but that's all it took. Now the oil pressure is in the single digits at best.

No stack of additives will fix loose bearings.

I was never a fan of additives like sea foam. Especially on old engines. 50 years of crud holds them together. Clean them out and the next thing you know everything leaks and you have new noises.
Sounds like you already used a gasoline additive for a cleaner!! And it didn't help much did it!
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Re: Case VAC, no oil pressure

PostBy: oros35 On: Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:56 am

coalnewbie wrote:Back to work, after a ten year rest in the tractor shed - it's time. Try that with your modern tractors.

Nice looking ride!
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