Lung transplant Dilema

Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:00 am

This one just deals with kidneys but it's one organ that is commonly donated. http://www.who.int/transplantation/organ/en/
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:33 am

Here's one for all you that want to be paid, who knows maybe you will eventually get your wish. http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/03/health/al ... rgans-time
I do think they should take the marrow by aspiration instead, I've done it & they tell you that you will only feel some pressure ha ha I don't know they managed to keep a straight face but it sure gave meaning to giving until it hurt. :roll:
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: beemerboy On: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:06 pm

A judge issued an order to allow the young girl to be placed on the adult transplant list. My question is what about the other three children and forty adults on the list in the same hospital who are just as sick as her? Don't they deserve the same consideration?

These rules were put in place in 1985 by the Reagan administration to prevent the abuses of the system this ruling will encourage. I do not believe that the buying and selling organs is ethically moral because of the whole "thems that have gets, to hell with those that don't, best they die early and decrease the surplus population" mentality.

As many of you know, I am on the heart and kidney transplant list. I am also sure I will not get on the top of the list just because of a sympathetic population and I seriously doubt I would ever be able to buy a new heart. If I am lucky enough I my wait will be less than five or six YEARS.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:22 pm

Couldn't of said it better bb--keep the faith my friend ;)
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:37 pm

beemerboy wrote:A judge issued an order to allow the young girl to be placed on the adult transplant list. My question is what about the other three children and forty adults on the list in the same hospital who are just as sick as her? Don't they deserve the same consideration?

These rules were put in place in 1985 by the Reagan administration to prevent the abuses of the system this ruling will encourage. I do not believe that the buying and selling organs is ethically moral because of the whole "thems that have gets, to hell with those that don't, best they die early and decrease the surplus population" mentality.

As many of you know, I am on the heart and kidney transplant list. I am also sure I will not get on the top of the list just because of a sympathetic population and I seriously doubt I would ever be able to buy a new heart. If I am lucky enough I my wait will be less than five or six YEARS.


While I sympathize with your situation, is it better that we have people dying because there are limited organs available or should some people live by incentivizing donation?

Maybe all the "rich" people buy the "pick of the litter" organs and leave the current supply for everyone else? Wouldn't that mean some "poor" people are saved as well?

Let's be realistic, someone has to die for you to get a new heart. Maybe if I thought my family would benefit after my death, I'd be more apt to sign the "organ donor" line on the back of my license.

The status quo is too shaky for people such as yourself. Anything that increases the supply of viable organs, I think, would be a good thing.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: plumb-r On: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:53 pm

Inless I missed it somewhere in the thread no has brought up the fact that some of the adults on the transplant list for lungs are on the list because they, in one way or another abused the lungs they have. A youngster given the gift of a lung and life would probably take care of it. A adult that ruined their lungs stands a good chance of repeating the process. Give the kid a chance. I feel no remorse for someone that trashed their body. :o
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:04 pm

But in the current system, they get first crack at it over the kid because they were first in line.

Maybe if they could go out and purchase a lung, the next one to come up would go to someone more "deserving"?
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: beemerboy On: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:35 pm

jpete wrote:But in the current system, they get first crack at it over the kid because they were first in line.

Maybe if they could go out and purchase a lung, the next one to come up would go to someone more "deserving"?

There is more to it than being "first in line". Other considerations to the organ transplant list is age of patient, health condition - the sickest will be moved to the head of the line and survivability of the patient. This is something George bush signed into law.

If the rich could purchase a lung, the more "deserving" as you put it will have to wait that much longer. incentivizing organ donation by allowing people to sell theirs is no guarantee of any organs going to the people who need them most.
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beemerboy wrote:Maybe all the "rich" people buy the "pick of the litter" organs and leave the current supply for everyone else? Wouldn't that mean some "poor" people are saved as well?

Let's be realistic, someone has to die for you to get a new heart. Maybe if I thought my family would benefit after my death, I'd be more apt to sign the "organ donor" line on the back of my license.

The status quo is too shaky for people such as yourself. Anything that increases the supply of viable organs, I think, would be a good thing.

Maybe is a big word. The question is would or would you not sign the organ donor line on the back of your license? Why not ask your family how they would feel about it? Maybe they wouldn't care about the money. Maybe they might do it out of the kindness of their hearts?

"Maybe" people who would have donated family members organs anyways will refuse to donate unless thy get paid, reducing the availability of organs for the "poor people" .
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:26 am

The total costs of surgery are massive if you figure in aftercare and Obummer stupidity. The main problem is lack of organ donors and a govt sponsored program where say $500 is given in cash if you sign up on your drivers license is peanuts in the total costs involved here - problem solved. Same with blood drives, $15 a pint and bingo you wold be drinking the stuff. We would be up to our a$$es in organs and the program could expand and waiting for organs would be a thing of the past. This is exciting technology.

Even Obama voter brain transplants could be in our future as that replacement is easy as there is only one neuron and a new GM ameoba could be cultivated in the lab with the new common sense gene. AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, I slay myself.

Look out as our as technology improves. The age of antibiotics is just about over due to prescribing stupidity and legal burdens (yes, tort reform solves much of this). Even Now the chance of a methacillin-resistant infections killing you if you even walk past a hospital will be greater than living with a dodgy heart. Ever onward and upward.

It's a new age, right now we are killing hundreds of thousands of patients through medical mistakes thx to govt trying to interfere in medicine. In the new age we can improve that to millions dying as liberals, who know $hit about this technology, give multi-thousand page opinions on how it should be administered (Obummercare). See above... and let's add millions of illegals to this..... and you think our military budget is expensive...

One solution being discussed is a Minister of Transplants an using the same thinking that got Mx Rice promoted, I suggest Ozzy Osbourne. Perhaps Black Sabbath music can be piped into the surgery suites. Hey, you voted for it - now live it. You aint seen nothing yet (apologies to BTO).
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: plumb-r On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:47 am

My family knows how I feel, I'm to be cooked when I pass, whole and in one piece. Which is my choice and I seriously doubt the wife or kids would do anything but. Now if they could benefit and I'm not talking chump change, I would allow myself to be parted out. Sometimes I think that doctors pull the plug, or stop trying to soon when they know they can harvest someone. The system has some of the same moral questions that go along with abortion, men should not be playing God, especially our government. :(
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:56 am

The last thing I'm going to say on what IMHO has become a self serving idiotic greedy subject is that I signed to be a donor when it first came out & have never changed, I figure if I'm done with them & they may be of use to someone else then have at it & fry the leftovers. Dead is dead, I told the wife to keep the ashes in the car trunk & if she gets stuck on ice I'll do my best to help out one last time. ;)
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:18 am

Health care has gotten soooo messed up since Obama took office. I want to go back to the way it was 10 yrs ago. Everything was perfect , no disparity , no illegals sucking up services, no govt killing thousands of people by meddling with the industry. If ya all know so much about it , enlighten us as to the solution. Note : saying the current admin is F'd up is not a solution. And all you conservative moral majority types out there that dont consider it an obligation to sign your organ donor card, Well.... Id say when you die, you better take some change for the soda machine with ya, cause Its gonna be hot where your goin :nono: :roll:
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:34 am

Let's seeeee, 10 yrs ago the med system was perfect????? Obligation to sign organ donor card???? Going to hell if one doesn't????? Where do you come up with this nonsense waldo??????? Orrrr, am I dealin with serious sarcasm here???? If so, use the appropriate smilies :?
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:49 am

Id say when you die, you better take some change for the soda machine with ya, cause Its gonna be hot where your goin


Yeah but all my coal burner buddies will be there and although being seared by perditions flames, I'm still going to search out a good source of Anthracite. :) The LL staff will all be there so servicing will be easy.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:54 am

samhill wrote:The last thing I'm going to say on what IMHO has become a self serving idiotic greedy subject is that I signed to be a donor when it first came out & have never changed, I figure if I'm done with them & they may be of use to someone else then have at it & fry the leftovers. Dead is dead, I told the wife to keep the ashes in the car trunk & if she gets stuck on ice I'll do my best to help out one last time. ;)

See. Liberals do have a sense of humor, even though it's gallows humor.
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