Lung transplant Dilema

Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:29 pm

samhill wrote: the gift of life to some waiting on the lists that perhaps would perhaps have no means of funding the purchase of a life giving organ.

You are suffering from quite a delusion if you think the medical establishment is giving out gifts. The doctors union wants the monopoly and profits all to itself.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:32 pm

Franco, would you kindly explain how a doctor gets paid any more or would be paid any less regardless of any organ transplant being donated or sold? If anything I would think what you & Jpete are proposing is that only the wealthy should have this type of lifesaving technology available to them & many of us would become mere sources. I never said the medical establishment is doing the operations without compensation but there again how much do you do in your chosen profession without compensation? Believe it or not many operations are done with little or no charge & one can only guess what the costs involved are for even the use of the facilities, if any party is making out on organ transplants I would guess it to be the drug companies but once again shouldn't these medical professionals be due any compensation after all they didn't pick up their skills on U-Tube. If anything I think pay for organs would only increase the costs to where only the extremely wealthy could afford it & then prices would raise all along the way & create a situation that the donor program was meant to help avoid. Then again I could be totally wrong on this. :?
Actually until reading your reply I had no idea that all doctors worked out of a union hall.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:39 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, I realize you just can't get the concept of doing good out of the kindness of ones heart. I find it odd however that you accuse me (someone that is & has been a registered donor) of disliking anyone with money or as you put it more money than I have when you express the willingness to sell your (hopefully)excess body organs to the highest bidder. Believe it or not you have that right & I would think that if you do some searching you may find the place that will do it & probably even cover airfare for yourself & some family members above your asking price. You may be right sell them now while you (hopefully) can enjoy the profits & that way if something unexpected should happen you will have already enjoyed your profit. There may be a whole new industry to open up, cross matching & selling body parts for fun & profit, kind of a modern day grave robber.
If one passes suddenly as in this case it takes a lot of strain off of the ones left behind & also gives(I know, another word you don't understand) the gift of life to some waiting on the lists that perhaps would perhaps have no means of funding the purchase of a life giving organ.


You're wrong. It's illegal to sell human body parts.

But don't make this about me. I understand philanthropy. But not everyone does. Some people need a push.

What is compassionate about letting people die because there aren't enough donors?

Your petty hatred of me can't change the fact that you are condemning to death, thousands of people every year because you can't see the utility in paying people for things they own.

The bottom line is, do you own your body or not? If you do, why can't you put a price on it's parts?
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:41 pm

samhill wrote:Actually until reading your reply I had no idea that all doctors worked out of a union hall.


Don't kid yourself. They all belong to one organization or another. And they aren't charitable organizations by and large.

Everyone gets paid except the donor.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:50 pm

A union is an organization formed to protect and further the rights and privileges of a group of workers.

You don't think the AMA is a union? What do you think it is?

Why are alternative therapies so bitterly resisted even when proven and denied insurance and Medicare payment? When after years of pressure vitamin C as a cold preventive was finally tested why was the recommended protocol of dosage changed to make it fail?

Why was Carlton Fredericks labeled a quack when almost everything he recommended is accepted today? Why was two time Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling also a quack?

Why is obesity an epidemic?

Why do other countries have healthier populations at far less cost?
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:23 am

franco b wrote:Why do other countries have healthier populations at far less cost?


One reason might be that doctors in the USA are mainly taught to treat only symptoms, and not root causes. Got a symptom, take a pill. Big Pharma is in the drivers seat. There is little to no preventative medicine practice in the USA. Only medicine after the fact of existent symptoms. The average amount of time a doctor spends with a patient in the USA is about 4 minutes, generally culminating with a prescription for a drug. They are money making machines, not health promoters. They would need to spend hours with you to learn what is behind your illnesses and set you on the path to health, but that would require that they actually cared about your health and not maximizing their bottom line profits.

Eliminate the root cause, and you eliminate the symptom. But then you won't need pills.

Diet plays a big part. Many of the things we consume routinely here are banned elsewhere. GMO's, pesticides, Round-Up ready seeds, brominated flour, chemical preservatives, artificial sweeteners, etc...

Processed foods with tons of chemical additives play a big part in this also. But in general we eat very poorly here. White flour, sugars galore, bleached rice, antibiotic ladened meats, growth hormone ladened meats, etc...

In general we don't get much exercise either. Much of our poor health is the combined product of exposure to environmental factors, workplace exposure to chemicals, diet, and living habits.

Also consider that doctors in the USA who offer alternatives to the main stream of approved and established treatments often face anywhere from losing their license to practice, to criminal prosecution. Medical practice is a cartel. The government is its enforcer.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:50 am

Got to pretty much agree with that Isayre, sums it up pretty well. Might add that here no matter what your smarts are you almost always need a doctor to sponsor you to get into med school & everyone likes to complain about foreign docs but they are brought in under the wing of our American docs & IMO for the most part there are some real good ones included. This is getting way off the subject but like everything it has been allowed & even promoted for decades I think the donor card thing was pretty well thought out to prevent many problems & I also think it has it's downsides that will need to be addressed.
Jpete, I have no great animosity towards you just disagree with most of what you say, no big deal. To the best of my recollection I haven't condemned anyone to death & I believe that you are still free to travel anywhere you like either for health care yourself or possibly sell some body parts, just like any of our laws they aren't & shouldn't be the law of the world.
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