Lung transplant Dilema

Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: Coalfire On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:30 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06 ... get-adult/



Red tape in this situation just seems a little wrong?




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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:49 pm

Very sad and what is worse the situation could be different with the stroke of a pen. Sadly though situations like this are going to be harbinger of things to come once the bureaucrats are in control with "Obummercare".
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:57 pm

There would be hardly any waiting lists if people were allowed to be compensated for their donation.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:28 pm

So, the girl only has 3-5 weeks to live and this is being taken to politicians to have her put on a list for an adult lung which also carries a low success rate?

She's doomed either way, especially since it'll take the idiots in the government months to decide if she could be added to a list.

"Good news everybody!!! After five months of debate we've decided that the little girl can get an adult lung!!!" *pats each other on the back*
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:29 pm

To me it once again sounds like as with most things someone is using this child for political points :cry: . There are reasons for rules to everything, once you start making exceptions to rules for one you soon have no rules, lung transplants are tricky for anyone & if you have an older person in similar condition is it right to jump ahead of them for political reasons? You even have to wonder how & why Cheney all of a sudden was able to get a transplant, it may well have been on the up & up but then again. As for selling organs that would open a whole new can of worms IMO, do you mean selling like one of two kidneys or harvesting organs if the family wants to go for the money & pulling the plug? Seems like a slippery slope to me, on one hand you don't even want someone to even approach that subject (which has to be done) but then if a emotional or political response comes along then it's all of a sudden OK to change the rules, just this once. ;) It's a sad thing but in most cases someone had to die to give another a chance at life, do we follow guidelines that I'm sure have been well gone over or do we follow emotions or politics? Not being cruel, just trying to be realistic.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:08 pm

I could not of put it better Sam--welcome to the real world people!
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: Coalfire On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:14 pm

The only thing that gets me is she is not looking to cut in line, just to be put on the adult list, and if a match comes up she might have a shot at it. I wonder if this rule that you have to be 12 years old to be on the "Adult" list goes back to the 50's or something like that, medical treatments have probably come a long way since that rule was probably put on the books.

Just kind of a shame a little girl is going to die to get the rule reviewed



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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:22 pm

If I have two good lungs and would be willing to give one up for say $10,000, why is it government's business to tell me I can't?

Do I own my body or don't I? That is the question.
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:52 pm

Hmmm, black market organs---great idea Jeff--NOT--of course you know that already goes on?
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:16 pm

It's been awhile & some progress hopefully has been made but years back a CF patient only got about 4 to 6 years out of a transplanted lung or pair. CF is caused from a genetic trait& will reoccur, there again it's been some time & things may have changed but everything along with the size has to be considered.
Now on to Jpete, I got 10K do I hear 15? There's a phone bid can I get 20? Hey Jpete it looks like I can get you at least 50 for the pair, let me talk to your family. I guess younz are right only the wealthy should be afforded medical care & then I guess maybe it would be a short time before the wealthy are taking the guns away for obvious reasons. :shock:
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:45 pm

freetown fred wrote:Hmmm, black market organs---great idea Jeff--NOT--of course you know that already goes on?


I'm talking about ELIMINATING the black market.

Black markets are "black" because they have to stay out of sight to avoid the law.

If *I*(not the operative first person singular here) want to sell *MY* lung, why should I be prevented?
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:51 pm

samhill wrote:It's been awhile & some progress hopefully has been made but years back a CF patient only got about 4 to 6 years out of a transplanted lung or pair. CF is caused from a genetic trait& will reoccur, there again it's been some time & things may have changed but everything along with the size has to be considered.
Now on to Jpete, I got 10K do I hear 15? There's a phone bid can I get 20? Hey Jpete it looks like I can get you at least 50 for the pair, let me talk to your family. I guess younz are right only the wealthy should be afforded medical care & then I guess maybe it would be a short time before the wealthy are taking the guns away for obvious reasons. :shock:


When did an organ transplant come to equal "medical care"?

This is why it's impossible to have a reasonable, rational conversation with you Sam. Because you can't stay focused. You have to bring in all your prejudices and preconceived notions.

We get it. You don't like anyone that makes more money than you. Fine.

In the mean time, thousands of people die every year because there aren't enough donated organs to go around. Instead, they get thrown in the trash or buried or burned in an oven.

BRILLIANT!
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PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:10 pm

So then Jpete, should there be a open market for harvesting organs? By the way you are free to go to several other countries where you can take the tests & put one of your organs on the bidding block. You do know however that one of the best things to improve your chances of a organ here is the ability to pay either with a good insurance or cash & the drugs that help prevent infections & rejection are a lifelong expense along with many other factors, those drugs aren't cheap. :mad: You are the one that brought up making money by selling organs, not me I just added some sarcasm hopefully mixed with some common sense. Just wondering why you think that body parts get thrown in the garbage, you do know that the organs have to be alive don't you? To be totally clear with you organs are not to be confused with other cadaver parts that can be lets say shelf items. I guess if you get a musical organ from someone else it wouldn't be considered a health care item but I think a lung transplant would be done by a medical team. ;) :doh:
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:24 pm

jpete wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Hmmm, black market organs---great idea Jeff--NOT--of course you know that already goes on?


I'm talking about ELIMINATING the black market.

Black markets are "black" because they have to stay out of sight to avoid the law.

If *I*(not the operative first person singular here) want to sell *MY* lung, why should I be prevented?

The black market will never be eliminated--it might change names, but never be eliminated--it would become a buyers market--highest bid wins. Why not just offer to donate to this little girl, or does greed out weigh compassion?
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Re: Lung transplant Dilema

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:31 pm

samhill wrote:So then Jpete, should there be a open market for harvesting organs? By the way you are free to go to several other countries where you can take the tests & put one of your organs on the bidding block. You do know however that one of the best things to improve your chances of a organ here is the ability to pay either with a good insurance or cash & the drugs that help prevent infections & rejection are a lifelong expense along with many other factors, those drugs aren't cheap. :mad: You are the one that brought up making money by selling organs, not me I just added some sarcasm hopefully mixed with some common sense. Just wondering why you think that body parts get thrown in the garbage, you do know that the organs have to be alive don't you? To be totally clear with you organs are not to be confused with other cadaver parts that can be lets say shelf items.


So how does paying for the organ increase the cost of anti rejection drugs?

If you need a transplant, you probably have insurance. If you don't, then you probably died already.

What is common sense about allowing people to die rather than remove the prohibition on selling your own organs?

We incentivize everything else, why not saving people's lives?
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