How much to run a Hybrid

How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:29 am

From our wonderful .gov

It even calculates by state.


http://energy.gov/articles/egallon-how- ... lectricity






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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:03 pm

Well.... this isn't aimed at hybrids, it's aimed at all electric cars....or the first miles of a plug in hybrid. One thing it doesn't take into account is battery replacement..... Hmmmm..... then again....it also doesn't take into account engine replacement!

It shows Maine as the same as gas at $1.40 a gallon.
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:46 pm

Firstly they aren't paying fuel taxes so we can add on average about 50 cents right off the top.

Freddy wrote:One thing it doesn't take into account is battery replacement..... Hmmmm..... then again....it also doesn't take into account engine replacement!


They are much more expensive from the start even with the $7500 rebate, chances are when the batteries dies in these cars they can finally fulfill their real intention as door stoppers. :lol: Nobody is going to want to invest thousands in a vehicle that has 100K+ on it. The resale value on these things is going to plummet for higher mileage.

Can't find it but they had real world comparison using two similar sized cars, one was gas and the other was electric. They weren't even considering things like subsidies and the fule tax subsidy and gasoline powered car still buried the electric car for long term costs, resale value etc.
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:38 pm

I think it would make them more user friendly would be if all manufacturers used a standard battery that you would exchange for a fully charged one once it runs dead. That way the battery isn't part of the car and the consumer doesn't pay for the battery all at once up front an road tax could be collected for the electricity that is used on the road (why should I have to pay road tax on gas but not electric)
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:45 pm

The road tax is a very valid point. (as are the other points... there's just no need for electric cars to cost so much) I heard rumor that there's at least one place (some county in Washington state?) that is testing the idea of : No road tax on gasoline. All cars have GPS and once every three months you get a bill in the mail according to how many miles you drove. It kind of makes sense. I mean... if tomorrow ALL cars were electric, the states would be collecting zero dollars in road tax!
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:45 pm

I was just gonna say what Richard already said - funny how that gov't site forgot to mention how a Hybrid costs THOUSANDS more than a comparable gas powered econobox. Yeah, and then there's that battery thing .... and when the electronics fry themselves or catch fire (VOLT :lol: ), good luck finding anyone to fix it for under $2k.

Have at it lefties! I'm all set - take all you want! :lol:
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:35 pm

Freddy wrote: No road tax on gasoline. All cars have GPS and once every three months you get a bill in the mail according to how many miles you drove.


I won't support the GPS however the cost per mile is ideal model. Base it on formula using the weight of the vehicle. Maybe an estimated tax every 3 months and then pay the difference once year when you get it inspected. Car can;t be sold without paying the tax.
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:53 pm

My vw TDI has 280,000 miles on it. It is 9 yrs old and I average between 48-52mpg . Only 1 normal battery, replaced the original last year.
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:03 pm

Richard S. wrote:I won't support the GPS....


Yaaaa, I don't like the idea of the government tracking us everywhere we go. I like your idea of checking mileage at inspection time. At some point we will have to take on the fact that hybrids, plug in hybrids, and electric cars are not paying their pair share to maintain the roads.
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: rubicondave33 On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:34 pm

How about the environmental impact these "green" cars have? Sourcing the materials to manufacture the batteries, etc. is quite destructive to the environment. I'll stick with my gassers.
Smoke and mirrors.
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:14 pm

Freddy wrote:
Richard S. wrote:I won't support the GPS....


Yaaaa, I don't like the idea of the government tracking us everywhere we go. I like your idea of checking mileage at inspection time. At some point we will have to take on the fact that hybrids, plug in hybrids, and electric cars are not paying their pair share to maintain the roads.


Why are we trying to find more ways to give the government money???
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:28 pm

I have some really strong magnets from an old hard drive that should work wonders on that GPS unit .... :twisted:
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:35 am

jpete wrote:
Why are we trying to find more ways to give the government money???


There is few things that are the domain of the government and maintaining roads and bridges is one of them. The fuel tax is one of the fairest taxes we have. you're only being charged when you use the road and you're also being fairly charged more for larger vehicles that do more damage. These electric vehicles aren't paying anything and subsidized by gasoline powered vehicles, it's only fair that they chip in to help pay for the roads they are going to use.
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:32 am

$1.51 for NJ. Too bad they didn't take into account having JCP&L for your electric company.

There's a delivery surcharge, a surcharge for having the First Energy employees for waking up that day. The 'Just be lucky you have power' surcharge, the 'Oh, you want to plug your car in here?' surcharge, the 'rape you till you bleed' surcharge and the surcharge for just being a JCP&L customer.
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Re: How much to run a Hybrid

PostBy: Sting On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:45 pm

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