Where is the outrage over the NSA?

Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:27 am

Some common sense which will be ignored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... gAP_gBEPQ#!
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:51 am

jpete wrote:Unfortunately, the administration has already admitted to using these "patterns" to drone strike people who they admit MAY or may NOT be terrorists.

Do you really trust your government with your life?
Please explain how doing "traffic analysis" (i.e. your term patterns) on telephone call records gets to drone strikes.
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:00 am

gaw wrote:
The President's comments describe exactly what I've described above. I live within 25 miles of NSA, in a zip code that has the third highest number of NSA employees as residents. They are collectively my friends and neighbors. The only unlawful activity by NSA occurred during the Nixon administration. Even then the top NSA brass resisted.
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:53 pm

It's one thing to spy on a foreign government or industry, it's quite another to spy internally on your own citizens. I was a crew member aboard a submarine tasked with collecting intelligence on foreign countries, sometimes putting ourselves in dangerous situations, but never did I imagine my own government spying on me !
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:22 pm

What do you all think, that there are hundreds of thousands of people that do nothing but sit around & listen in on random conversations & a like # reading E-mails & text messages? There must be an awful lot of people here that either are totally paranoid, scared that some lib like myself may have turned them in :roll: or what, maybe spying yourself? Or do they just have a bunch of computers checking & cross checking #s called to known #s of suspected terrorists & foreign nationals living darn near everywhere on earth? Nah, your all right & better watch what your writing & saying, just saying. :shock: :?
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: gaw On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:01 pm

Knowing that some NSA agent is listening in and polishing his carrot as my wife and I have phone sex is just creepy. :eek2:
….now if that NSA agent is a female… :love: that just takes it to a whole new level…quick! Where is the Kentucky jelly…sorry coalnewbie, I just slayed little Elvis :smoke:
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:43 pm

Gaw, I don't know if they still have them or not but I have known people with scanners that can listen in on cell phone conversations, it's been years but your broadcasting over the airwaves. May be a turn on for some as there were a few regulars that just about had set times when I drove truck I would always stop & fill my coffee cup &there would be a crowd around the scanner.
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:40 pm

Yanche wrote:
jpete wrote:Unfortunately, the administration has already admitted to using these "patterns" to drone strike people who they admit MAY or may NOT be terrorists.

Do you really trust your government with your life?
Please explain how doing "traffic analysis" (i.e. your term patterns) on telephone call records gets to drone strikes.


Because that's how drone strikes are conducted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/se ... ive-report

The study by Stanford and New York universities' law schools, based on interviews with victims, witnesses and experts, blames the US president, Barack Obama, for the escalation of "signature strikes" in which groups are selected merely through remote "pattern of life" analysis.


"According to US authorities, these strikes target 'groups of men who bear certain signatures, or defining characteristics associated with terrorist activity, but whose identities aren't known'," the report says. "Just what those 'defining characteristics' are has never been made public." People in North Waziristan are now afraid to attend funerals or other gatherings, it suggests.
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:48 pm

samhill wrote:What do you all think, that there are hundreds of thousands of people that do nothing but sit around & listen in on random conversations & a like # reading E-mails & text messages? There must be an awful lot of people here that either are totally paranoid, scared that some lib like myself may have turned them in :roll: or what, maybe spying yourself? Or do they just have a bunch of computers checking & cross checking #s called to known #s of suspected terrorists & foreign nationals living darn near everywhere on earth? Nah, your all right & better watch what your writing & saying, just saying. :shock: :?


Think this might fit the bill?

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/0 ... atacenter/

The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.”


According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. The upshot, according to this official: “Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.”


As a result of this “expanding array of theater airborne and other sensor networks,” as a 2007 Department of Defense report puts it, the Pentagon is attempting to expand its worldwide communications network, known as the Global Information Grid, to handle yottabytes (1024 bytes) of data. (A yottabyte is a septillion bytes—so large that no one has yet coined a term for the next higher magnitude.)


According to Binney—who has maintained close contact with agency employees until a few years ago—the taps in the secret rooms dotting the country are actually powered by highly sophisticated software programs that conduct “deep packet inspection,” examining Internet traffic as it passes through the 10-gigabit-per-second cables at the speed of light.


http://www.npr.org/2013/06/10/190160772 ... -data-farm

The estimated power of those computing resources in Utah is so massive it requires use of a little-known unit of storage space: the zettabyte. as the amount of data that would fill 250 billion DVDs.


"They would have plenty of space with five zettabytes to store at least something on the order of 100 years worth of the worldwide communications, phones and emails and stuff like that," Binney asserts, "and then have plenty of space left over to do any kind of parallel processing to try to break codes."

NSA does provide some measure of the computing power at its new data farm in Utah. It requires 65 megawatts of power, enough for 65,000 homes. It also has its own power substation.


That much power generates so much heat that the computers will fry without 1.5 million gallons of cooling water a day.


So the Utah center will employ about 100 technicians to keep the power and water flowing and the computers and other equipment humming.


The maintenance costs of the center are pegged at $20 million a year, according to Davis.


And the kicker?

Despite its capacity, the Utah center does not satisfy NSA's data demands. Last month, the agency broke ground on its next data farm at its headquarters at Ft. Meade, Md.
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:02 pm

More proof that president Obama is doing right in the eyes of our democracy.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/66- ... 35401.html
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:16 pm

Don't forget where all the funding for this comes from.
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:52 pm

samhill wrote:What do you all think, that there are hundreds of thousands of people that do nothing but sit around & listen in on random conversations & a like # reading E-mails & text messages? There must be an awful lot of people here that either are totally paranoid, scared that some lib like myself may have turned them in :roll: or what, maybe spying yourself? Or do they just have a bunch of computers checking & cross checking #s called to known #s of suspected terrorists & foreign nationals living darn near everywhere on earth? Nah, your all right & better watch what your writing & saying, just saying. :shock: :?



You are missing the point. They are recording all conversations, emails and texts that people send back and forth. And storing them. They can use this info to stop possible terrorists, yes.
But they can also use this info for controlling someone. Like a congressman or senator or a judge. Not many people that don't have any skeletons tucked away.
I am not saying this has been done or not I have no proof either way. But I still don't like it. It too easy to be used for the wrong reasons. Just think if Hitler had this type of technology.
I know my wife doesn't want to hear about the conversations I have with my girlfriend. :D
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:06 pm

samhill wrote:Don't forget where all the funding for this comes from.


China?

The Federal Reserve?
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:17 am

jpete wrote:
samhill wrote:Don't forget where all the funding for this comes from.


China?

The Federal Reserve?


Thin air?? The pockets of our childrens, childrens,Great grand children?



jpete wrote: Yanche wrote:

jpete wrote:Unfortunately, the administration has already admitted to using these "patterns" to drone strike people who they admit MAY or may NOT be terrorists.

Do you really trust your government with your life?

Please explain how doing "traffic analysis" (i.e. your term patterns) on telephone call records gets to drone strikes.






This network observation program is exactly how we got Bin Laden. That makes me feel better about it :?
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Re: Where is the outrage over the NSA?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:30 pm

I thought we got OBL because someone ratted him out. And then I think we left that guy swinging in the wind.
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