franco-belge or harman mark3 coal stove

franco-belge or harman mark3 coal stove

PostBy: shoman70 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:10 pm

Hi i am brand new when it comes to coal stoves, to make a long story short i just bought a home and it has a franco-belge free standing coal stove model# 10.262 i believe 21k btu. home was built in 1985 pretty good insulated, 2,000 square feet, 2 story, coal stove is on the 1st floor of home. cant find much info at all about this stove. baseboard electric heat through the home. i am looking to heat entire house with coal stove. not sure but i dont think this stove is big enough, any thoughts? i might pick up a used harman mark 3 stove rated at 92k btu i think. bigger stove and i think this stove would heat home no problem, any advise would be great.

rob
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PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:39 pm

I would wait and see how the franco works sense its already there and hooked up.
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PostBy: shoman70 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:44 pm

the franco is a very small, rated at 21,000 btu, i know i am new with coal stoves, but i cant see this stove heating all of 2,000 square feet.
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PostBy: titleist1 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:55 pm

I'd be very surprised if the Franco was anything more than supplemental at 21k btu's. The Mark III can heat 2k sqft but it depends on the air circulation distributing the heat in your particular house.

I used a Mark III for about 20 years heating our ranch house from the basement that started less than 2k sqft and over the years grew to more than 2k sqft. back bedrooms were colder than LR / Kit due to heat circulation....always a challenge unless you have it tied into your central ductwork.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
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PostBy: shoman70 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:59 pm

Pretty much open floor plan. Would you suggest a blower for stove
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PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:02 pm

The thing with either stove is how do you plan to distribute the heat from the stove to the outer reaches of your house. The larger Mark III will produce an amazing amount of heat but if that heat stays in the stove room what good is it? That's what happens in my house; the family room is a little hot and the bedrooms are a little cool. Statistically we are comfortable. :) With the Harman you could be paying for BTUs that you can't make use of. It could be that the smaller, already in place Franco could actually deliver heat more economically in your house by allowing your to utilize all of the BTUs it produces. Just a thought, Lisa
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PostBy: shoman70 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:11 pm

i guess i just dont understand, i mean why have a large stove if it is only going to heat a few rooms, whats the point of a coal stove if you cant heat your whole home. the problem is the home has all electric baseboard heat, that will be very expensive during the winter months.i do appericate your advise.
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PostBy: anthony7812 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:42 pm

im heating 2500± sqft with my harman. Now mine is in the basement which is totally open. So my floors in the entire house stay nice and toasty. I need to duct it into my main heat duct to increase my efficiency but I'll get their. The harman is a powerhouse compared to the franco. I would suggest get the harman if its a good price and give it a try. If its too much sell it out and reinstall the franco. I someday would like install electric baseboard in case i go away for vacation and not depend on oil, but no way would I want that as my primary heat source. Hell i think burned ½ gallon of fuel oil last year. Either way good luck to you, its a learning curve as with anything else. Good luck fellow coal newcomer.
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PostBy: shoman70 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:51 pm

my stove will be on the main floor in my living room, i have a 2 story colonial house.i wish i had ducts then i wouldnt have this problem heating the entire house. so it sounds like you have a ranch home? so it sounds like if you dont have just 1 floor to heat or a completely open floor plan a coal stove will not heat the 2nd floor to much.
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PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:50 pm

shoman70 wrote:my stove will be on the main floor in my living room, i have a 2 story colonial house.i wish i had ducts then i wouldnt have this problem heating the entire house. so it sounds like you have a ranch home? so it sounds like if you dont have just 1 floor to heat or a completely open floor plan a coal stove will not heat the 2nd floor to much.


Good points about distribution of heat, I tend to agree that if you have a functioning coal stove in place try it first as a learning tool (most people don't have that luxury). In terms of distribution of heat... clearly the living room and the room directly over the living room will see most the heat and depending on your floor plan & stairway will dictate how your going to accomplish even heat distribution the easiest, cheapest and least invasive way possible... some of the options would be as follows and other members will surly add to these for you

#1 install louvered grates in the ceiling of the first floor/floor of the second floor.
#2 purchase some "doorway fans"
#3 ceiling fans are good for summer & winter (most people only think of them for summer)
#4 stove blower option if available (if not then depending on hearth/fireplace/etc. you can make your own to serve the same purpose)
#5 opening the stairway by using a kneewall if your stairway is a closed off one (as most pre-1970 colonials are)

others can add some more ideas for you, I have to fly ;)
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PostBy: anthony7812 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:00 pm

shoman70 wrote:my stove will be on the main floor in my living room, i have a 2 story colonial house.i wish i had ducts then i wouldnt have this problem heating the entire house. so it sounds like you have a ranch home? so it sounds like if you dont have just 1 floor to heat or a completely open floor plan a coal stove will not heat the 2nd floor to much.


In your case if its in the living room...just my little dream... Look at a nice antique baseburner ;) Nice ornate, no noisy blower fans and very well efficiency. Do some research and as a small hint check out some youtube videos from a fellow coal forum member on the best coal stove ever made. ;)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: VanWert VA 400
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PostBy: shoman70 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:38 pm

Sounds nice but I am not trying to break the bank lol. I guess I am looking for 72 degrees on the same floor as the stove and like 68 degrees on the 2nd floor. Hope I can get that result with a Hartman mark 3
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PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:20 pm

not to perpetuate Anthony's (as well as the rest of us nepa diehards) addiction to Baseburners, I still have my Glenwood available here in Ma. if you want ;)
The blower system on these baseburners are the nickel rings built into the stove (cool air is low, hot air rises, as hot air is produced at the stoves lowest point...the "Base", it rapidly rises hitting the rings as it goes up which by virtue of aerodynamics forces this hot air out into the living space). Interesting how our forfathers thrived with ingenuity in a day when they had so little compared to us (including electricity) :lol:
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PostBy: shoman70 On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:24 pm

i am trying to figure out what temps i should expect from the 1st floor where the stove will be versus temps on the 2nd floor
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PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:32 pm

shoman70 wrote:i am trying to figure out what temps i should expect from the 1st floor where the stove will be versus temps on the 2nd floor


Your going to have to discover that during cold season, we can all speculate but since your stove is in place your best bet is to clean it, prep it and wait for the "pudding" so to speak ;)
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