Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:24 pm

The funny thing that I continually hear is that 97% of all of the earths "scientists" agree that man is causing global warming, and therefore it is beyond question. I wonder what the validity level of that oft brandished data is. I also wonder how many of those scientists know even a hint of valid climate science? My initial guess is that far less than 1% of all persons who can justifiably be classified under the loose term "scientist" have any involvement in climate science.
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:06 pm

Come on Larry, you & I both know it should state "97% of all EARTH, Govt. approved, scientists" ;)
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:07 pm

Go to the Bronx Zoo Ape House and ask is a cyanide laced banana is good. 97% of the apes will say yes and Al Gore will agree too. The point is the subject these "scientists" are being asked to opine on is soooo complex no one knows. A good scientist will say I don't know but I am looking into it or I am not interested so right there 97% of the opinions are NG. Follow the money and ask if GS is making money with carbon credits. There is your answer, securitize the weather and then make money from it.There are always useful idiots who will help you.

Let me guide you through this

"Gore buys his carbon off-sets from himself--the Generation Investment Management LLP, "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 with offices in London and Washington, D.C." of which he is both chairman and founding partner."

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover031307.htm

phkn idot
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:12 pm

lsayre wrote: 97% of all of the earths "scientists" agree that man is causing global warming, and therefore it is beyond question.

First, that statement is totally unscientific since scientific truth can not be determined by majority opinion. Also the figure is most likely pulled out of the air by those ignorant of scientific discipline. At one time probably 99 percent of scientists at the time believed that the Sun revolved about the Earth. When Galileo was forced to recant his opposite belief he still was heard to say "I wonder what it would look like if the Earth did indeed rotate about the Sun". Which of course is what it does look like.

The belief may or may not be valid but at this point we just don't know. Of those prepared to swear to the truth of it, how many base their livelihood on the controversy? It seems to pay pretty good to keep the pot boiling.
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:54 pm

At one time probably 99 percent of scientists at the time believed that the Sun revolved about the Earth.


Wouldn't you have loved to have a youtube of Louis Pasteurs lecture at the Academy of Sciences in London as he explained about those little worms inside us. I bet he did not even get a 3% approval rating.
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:07 pm

ah, my favorite subject.

it must be summer time, humid and hot, thus it's time to cure global warming again.
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:47 pm

Looking at your avatar I just know there is something we can agree on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVD67pMdv9k

Preceded by two glasses of XXX beer and "The Wall" at 1000 watts.
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:57 pm

lsayre wrote:The funny thing that I continually hear is that 97% of all of the earths "scientists" agree that man is causing global warming, and therefore it is beyond question. I wonder what the validity level of that oft brandished data is. I also wonder how many of those scientists know even a hint of valid climate science? My initial guess is that far less than 1% of all persons who can justifiably be classified under the loose term "scientist" have any involvement in climate science.


Depends on which study they are citing, often the people using that figure don't know. :roll:

The Doran study is the one most often cited, this is the only one I'm aware of where scientists were directly polled. Setting aside all the issues it comes down to one basic problem. They were asked this question:

http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf

2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?


What is "significant"? For example if man has been able to change global mean temperatures a minute fraction that could be significant.

The other issue is this 97% is only 75 scientists....

Results show that overall, 90% of par-
ticipants answered “risen” to question 1
and 82% answered yes to question 2.
In general, as the level of active research
and specialization in climate science
increases, so does agreement with the two
primary questions (Figure1). In our sur-
vey, the most specialized and knowledge-
able respondents (with regard to climate
change) are those who listed climate sci-
ence as their area of expertise and who
also have published more than 50% of
their recent peer-reviewed papers on the
subject of climate change (79 individu-
als in total). Of these specialists, 96.2%
(76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1
and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to ques-
tion 2.
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:06 pm

Just in case nobody new . Georgetown university Obama is set to speak at is a Jesuit university . Billy boys old stomping ground .
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:50 pm

You guys are missing the point. He needs to get this done before it gets cold again. He wants to push his agenda of skyrocketing energy costs. Plus there are a few scientists that are predicting the next few or decade of winters or to be very harsh. The cycle has changed again like it has so many times before.

Who woulda thunk it? :doh:
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:36 pm

When is President Obama's speech on this matter scheduled to take place?
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:07 pm

Haven't really heard a thing on it except here Larry. I thought you were up on all this stuff? I guess we'll see the whens & whats---UPDATE--OK, OK, just listened to his speech--BO has put the task in the hands of EPA--many, including myself find that ludicrous--as usual, this is a wait and see issue-- I do think that the speech was OK & that's from someone that basically thinks the man is an ass. To hear it--GOOGLE "Obamas speech on global warming at Georgetown Univ--6/25/2013" Damn you gloom & doomers need to find another hobby-- :clap: toothy --- Let our voices be heard & then wait for the fat lady to sing--I for one am not smart enough to figure all this stuff out & for the most part, people that think they can, scare the hell out of me:(
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:37 pm

freetown fred wrote:Haven't really heard a thing on it except here Larry. I thought you were up on all this stuff? I guess we'll see the whens & whats---UPDATE--OK, OK, just listened to his speech--BO has put the task in the hands of EPA--many, including myself find that ludicrous--as usual, this is a wait and see issue-- I do think that the speech was OK & that's from someone that basically thinks the man is an ass. To hear it--GOOGLE "Obamas speech on global warming at Georgetown Univ--6/25/2013" Damn you gloom & doomers need to find another hobby-- :clap: toothy --- Let our voices be heard & then wait for the fat lady to sing--I for one am not smart enough to figure all this stuff out & for the most part, people that think they can, scare the hell out of me:(




BOO!
Just trin' to scare ya Fred

What do you get when you goose a ghost ?











A hand full of Sheet. :lol:
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:40 pm

Humor--our only non-taxable commodity--SO FAR---I love it :clap: toothy
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Re: Obama to announce his plan to end global warming Tuesday

PostBy: Ed.A On: Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:33 pm

Bypass Congress, ie: Obamaway. Destruction of jobs and livelihoods that nobody in the protected zones cares about.
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