Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:42 pm

OK guys,

Yeah you CK and WN........... :D :box: No offense taken on my end. And I hope I don't offend you with my rebuttal. :inlove:


The reason I said for him to sell the old oil boiler and install a combo unit was after I had looked at his pictures.

It appears that he does not have a lot of space to ADD another appliance to his basement. A unit like the LL or EFM DF 520 would probably fit the existing footprint of his oil boiler. And then give him the ability to use both fuel sources.


But we all have our own opinions............. and we know what they are like. :nana:


Have a great 4th of July everyone.




Rick
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: hcarlow On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:18 pm

I went the way WN mentioned with a wl 110 leisure line boiler and both units are on the same chimney with no problems at all . You will only be useing one unit at a time . You should probably check your codes in your state or area . If you want good even heat I would suggest the boiler route as I also was thinking a stove and sure glad I went the route I did . Be sure and find out the btu's you will need as the wl110 probably isn't big enough for the area your heating .
Good Luck and a happy 4th
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: Wiz On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:24 pm

if you would like to post your location, there are probably 50 coal burners right around you who would show you their set-ups......no charge....and greet you with a hand shake. 
If he wants to take a trip to Stroudburg Pa and I'll show you a keystoker boiler setup.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:01 pm

Well well. Orrs Mills Rd, Washingtonville NY. 'fess up we don't bite and the NSA has not found this website (I don't think yet). Just down the road from Steve at Cornwall coal, welcome neighbor. Interesting handle but you gave it away. We are here to help you in any way we can. Knowing your locale helps us help you in many ways. I too am a LL fan. So you were smart enough to find the best fuel and you have selected a top draw boiler manufacturer, to me it looks like your made in the shade. Summer is the time to sort out the aggravations. Your on the right path keep moving.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:30 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Well well. Orrs Mills Rd, Washingtonville NY. 'fess up we don't bite and the NSA has not found this website (I don't think yet). Just down the road from Steve at Cornwall coal, welcome neighbor. Interesting handle but you gave it away. We are here to help you in any way we can. Knowing your locale helps us help you in many ways. I too am a LL fan. So you were smart enough to find the best fuel and you have selected a top draw boiler manufacturer, to me it looks like your made in the shade. Summer is the time to sort out the aggravations. Your on the right path keep moving.


OMG if someone else gets a WL-110 before me im gonna cry :taz:
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: orrsmills On: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:40 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Well well. Orrs Mills Rd, Washingtonville NY. 'fess up we don't bite and the NSA has not found this website (I don't think yet). Just down the road from Steve at Cornwall coal, welcome neighbor. Interesting handle but you gave it away. We are here to help you in any way we can. Knowing your locale helps us help you in many ways. I too am a LL fan. So you were smart enough to find the best fuel and you have selected a top draw boiler manufacturer, to me it looks like your made in the shade. Summer is the time to sort out the aggravations. Your on the right path keep moving.


Hey coalnewbie....yeah I'm not hiding anything, yes I'm on Orrs Mills Rd, little ways up from Cornwall coal. Still not sure what I'm doing yet, it's a hard thing to jump to a boiler system $$$$. I still have enough wood to burn through this coming winter, but don't see myself messing with this wood much longer.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: orrsmills On: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:54 pm

hcarlow wrote:I went the way WN mentioned with a wl 110 leisure line boiler and both units are on the same chimney with no problems at all . You will only be useing one unit at a time . You should probably check your codes in your state or area . If you want good even heat I would suggest the boiler route as I also was thinking a stove and sure glad I went the route I did . Be sure and find out the btu's you will need as the wl110 probably isn't big enough for the area your heating .
Good Luck and a happy 4th



Hi, do you have a pic of your setup?

Thanks
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:35 pm

orrsmills wrote:
coalnewbie wrote:Well well. Orrs Mills Rd, Washingtonville NY. 'fess up we don't bite and the NSA has not found this website (I don't think yet). Just down the road from Steve at Cornwall coal, welcome neighbor. Interesting handle but you gave it away. We are here to help you in any way we can. Knowing your locale helps us help you in many ways. I too am a LL fan. So you were smart enough to find the best fuel and you have selected a top draw boiler manufacturer, to me it looks like your made in the shade. Summer is the time to sort out the aggravations. Your on the right path keep moving.


Hey coalnewbie....yeah I'm not hiding anything, yes I'm on Orrs Mills Rd, little ways up from Cornwall coal. Still not sure what I'm doing yet, it's a hard thing to jump to a boiler system $$$$. I still have enough wood to burn through this coming winter, but don't see myself messing with this wood much longer.


I know it's a big leap to come up with the money to convert to a coal boiler but it will pay for itself quickly. Mine paid for itself in about 3 years and has saved me thousands every year.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:33 am

I know it's a big leap to come up with the money to convert to a coal boiler but it will pay for itself quickly. Mine paid for itself in about 3 years and has saved me thousands every year.[/quote]

You can finance it for very low interest (maybe even interest free depending on circumstances like age, income, etc.).

I see you have a one zone set up? Is this a monoflo system? I can sympathize with you because I also had the same oil sucking gold series beast you have and I swear Weil McLain has interest in big oil company's or something :mad: even if you had zero intentions of alternate fuels OR supporting USA fuel OR no money in the bank.... you should SWIFTY swap out for a system 2000 at the very least (because even that would pay for itself in pretty short order), but for that same price you could have a WL-110 and triple that savings every year by simply running it with coal. I remember my oil bills in a 1800 sq' house with that Gold Boiler being about $3,000 per season just to get through the winter months :shock: ($3,000 buys a literal Mountain of Coal! :lol: )
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:59 am

Actually it looks like he has three zones. Pretty sure one of his pics is showing three zone valves.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:06 am

There are multiple zones, hence the zone valves in the supply header...not that it matters, the tie-in of a second boiler would be done the same way. That WM boiler and Riello burner is a great combination, I would leave it in place and add a coal boiler that fits your budget and floor space. By having two separate boilers you can greatly simplify the process of switching from one fuel to the other...it can even be automatic if you setup the controls properly.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: Wiz On: Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:51 am

Last year I decide to add a coal boiler because of struggling to pay oil prices to keep house at 68 and lower back problems that eliminate the wood boiler. You'll be glad in the long run of spending $$$$ for initial set up cost. The savings will start from the first lighting of the coal. ;)
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:41 am

Rob R. wrote:There are multiple zones, hence the zone valves in the supply header...not that it matters, the tie-in of a second boiler would be done the same way. That WM boiler and Riello burner is a great combination, I would leave it in place and add a coal boiler that fits your budget and floor space. By having two separate boilers you can greatly simplify the process of switching from one fuel to the other...it can even be automatic if you setup the controls properly.


Im not a plumber but I only see one Taco Circulator their (can you have multi zones with only one circulator)? no wonder I got ripped off when my plumber put 3 of those Taco thingies in :mad:
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:27 am

Multiple zones can be done with one pump and zone valves or multiple pumps. Multiple pumps means slightly more electric although I'd argue it's hardly worth noting. Zone valves fail more often than do circulator pumps so there's pros and cons. I did my zones with pumps and no zone valves.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:17 pm

Hey coalnewbie....yeah I'm not hiding anything, yes I'm on Orrs Mills Rd, little ways up from Cornwall coal. Still not sure what I'm doing yet, it's a hard thing to jump to a boiler system $$$$. I still have enough wood to burn through this coming winter, but don't see myself messing with this wood much longer


I want you to know that I have not gone the hydronic route (expensive) and I have a big house and I am very happy indeed. Another neighbor heats his 2000 sq ft house with one 100 year old stove and is also content. There are many ways of leaping into this coal heat. As budgets appear to be an issue you might consider one of the alternatives. For a few hundred dollars you can get a very powerful anthracite burner which would sit in place of your wood burner. Generally, wood burners can't burn anthracite but anthracite burners (stoves only) can burn wood. You may not need to do more.

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