Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:03 am

stove is a space heater


NO NO NO wrong.

.... Until it warms up the whole structure and it then becomes a home heater like a boiler. That's why people with smaller homes heat happily with one stove (duh). A boiler becomes a basement heater until the water warms the rest of the house. Yes, water has much greater heat transfer abilities but once the house heat soaked that does not matter that much. I guess we agree to disagree and I don't give a c rap about conventional wisdom.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:26 am

coalnewbie wrote:
stove is a space heater


NO NO NO wrong.

.... Until it warms up the whole structure and it then becomes a home heater like a boiler. That's why people with smaller homes heat happily with one stove (duh). A boiler becomes a basement heater until the water warms the rest of the house. Yes, water has much greater heat transfer abilities but once the house heat soaked that does not matter that much. I guess we agree to disagree and I don't give a c rap about conventional wisdom.


Me either. It seems that my Base Heater doesn't realize it's just a mere space heater and it needs to stop heating the whole house like it does. It has delusions of grandeur. I'm going to have to sit down and have a talk with that stove so I can straighten it out.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:33 am

You & me both on that one ws :)
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:37 am

coalkirk wrote:Whether its a radiant stove or hydronic system, everything in the home gets up to temperature.

True enough, and no question a central boiler will provide more uniform heat throughout the home. A great room with high ceilings is a special case however. Warm air rises and cold air sinks so there will be more of a temperature gradient in that room than if it had lower ceilings. Radiant energy is more like light and does not stratify as air does. Whatever it impinges upon it will warm directly regardless of air temperature. That's why you can see pictures of ski resorts with people in swimming pools at very low temperatures, protected only from wind. Higher solar radiation at high altitude keeps them warm. The great room heated by a radiant stove will be more comfortable at a lower air temperature than if heated by other means and especially so if there is a mass of masonry to re-radiate that heat.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:45 am

WH/FF ...hahahahahhahaah.

Of course, in highly segmented houses (mostly larger) it is often impractical to transfer that much heat through the walls and hydronics has it's place. Here we have 2000sq ft home with a 22' great room, hmmm, a POH device may be cozier and much cheaper. All I am saying is let's not generalize.

Don't mind us Orr, it's too hot and we are bored and crabby.We will guide you to the perfect coal heating system just be patient with us.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: dlj On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:16 am

wsherrick wrote:Me either. It seems that my Base Heater doesn't realize it's just a mere space heater and it needs to stop heating the whole house like it does. It has delusions of grandeur. I'm going to have to sit down and have a talk with that stove so I can straighten it out.


William,

I just sat down with mine and had a long discussion about this problem. I must say, my Glenwood was quite taken aback by the implications that it may have delusions of grandeur. It was feeling more like the little engine that could, and not just up over the hill, it has kept it up for 100 plus years.. I'm just saying, if you do sit down with yours, be gentle, they are really quite sensitive on this issue... ;)

dj
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:34 am

I think what he meant with saying "a stove is a space heater" is that a stove is a single concentrated point/source of heat. That would be true wouldn't it?? and unless that heat can be distributed thoroughly thru the house be means of some type of convection, the radiant heat will only strike the room that the stove is in.. SO, it only makes sense that the stove will heat the SPACE (the room) its in - the best, right?? lol :shock:

So I don't think he was totally out of line with that... 8-)
Its a matter of getting the heat around the house and how you want to achieve it...

Be careful to not step on the toes of proud stove owners :lol:
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:54 am

dlj wrote: I'm just saying, if you do sit down with yours, be gentle, they are really quite sensitive on this issue... ;)

dj


Apparently so are the owners!!! :lol: :box:

If only we could bottle the hot air generated by such back and forth banter and slowly let it escape into our homes in the winter we could minimize the coal usage around here!
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:26 pm

Lightning wrote:Be careful to not step on the toes of proud stove owners

Blessed are the peace makers, cause now both sides can take a shot at him.

We do most things for emotional reasons even when we try to justify them with logic. For many of us there is an appeal in a hand fired stove that can't be matched by the seeming soulless heating appliance that rewards in other ways, but lacks that which we crave.

William has created a Victorian aura that goes well beyond simply providing heat.

Dlj has an installation that is a joy to look at whether burning or not. So heating is only part of the mystique.

The house that this thread deals with has its essence and appeal in the great room which in itself sacrifices practicality for emotional well being. I would not compromise that but rather add to it with a beautiful radiant stove installation even if it wound up more expensive and less practical than other ways.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:33 pm

So my Hitzer is not good enough for you, or my WM that I got at a garage sale for $100. How about I poke you in the eye (blessed are the peacemakers). Banter (joke, chaff, fool, fun, gag, jape, jest, jive, jolly, josh, kid, quip, wisecrack) that might be the term in the tropics of MD when discussing heating but up here it is serious stuff. So title am I helping things here?

HAHAHAHAHAHHAA, I slay myself.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:08 pm

coalnewbie wrote:So my Hitzer is not good enough for you, or my WM that I got at a garage sale for $100. How about I poke you in the eye (blessed are the peacemakers). Banter (joke, chaff, fool, fun, gag, jape, jest, jive, jolly, josh, kid, quip, wisecrack) that might be the term in the tropics of MD when discussing heating but up here it is serious stuff. So title am I helping things here?

HAHAHAHAHAHHAA, I slay myself.

No. Like you I like em all, new or old. the Hitzer 50-93 I think is the most practical of modern stoves with hopper and thermostat and nice view of fire. Even sprinkling em around the house like you do is nice as long as you leave a path. But most people are not hung up on horse manure and tractors and stoves but just want one. They don't know what they are missing and there is nothing wrong with catering to faulty sensibilities, it might even be noble.

And my weather is hotter and colder than yours.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:58 pm

faulty sensibilities,


Move them to CT and give them an expensive lawn mower and they think they are better than you..... AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:28 pm

Boy this thread has gone to pieces. The poor guy is probably ordering another TT load of firewood right now.

Oddly enough, I am headed out the door to go quote a neighbor on a coal boiler install. He has been heating his house with a pellet stove for 4 years and is sick of a cold basement, scorching living room, and chilly bedrooms/bathrooms. Should I try to talk him into 2-3 hand fed stoves?
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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:18 pm

Rob R. wrote:He has been heating his house with a pellet stove for 4 years and is sick of a cold basement, scorching living room, and chilly bedrooms/bathrooms. Should I try to talk him into 2-3 hand fed stoves?


If he has a big house that might not be enough. The old house I described previously was originally built without central heat; AFAIK it was built with 3 fireplaces and provisions for up to 5 wood or coal stoves.

After the old boiler developed leaks, we tried heating that house using various combinations of stoves and a furnace. For us, it did not take long to conclude that such an approach was both inconvenient and ineffective. For example, one of the available flues was in an upstairs hall near 3 of our kids' bedrooms. Lugging coal to the second floor was a hassle, but the stove "worked" so well that the kids unanimously asked us not to use it because it made their rooms too hot. This, in turn, left other areas without enough heat, and created an overall btu deficit. We developed a new appreciation of the benefits of central heat, eventually resulting in the installation of the 900.

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Re: Newbie looking to install coal stove in basement.

PostBy: Wiz On: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:35 pm

This thread has gone from help to beyond help. Reminds me when I was in preschool, my dad is better then your dad. Surprised it didn't get lock yet. :flush:
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