just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: nuthcuntrynut On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:36 pm

Is there a real chance this administration can stop production of coal? should i be looking at renewable heat sources now(again)? this is what has me wondering if i do buy a stoker boiler can i convert it to a pellet gun if need be. any thoughts? this guy really wants to break the working guy
nuthcuntrynut
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: wl110 leisure line
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: ussc pellet stove
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: WL 110

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:26 pm

Life's a crap shoot nc, BUT, if I were a bettin man, I'd say coal is & will remain a fantastic heating source---just sayin--don't get to into the gloom & doom projections--anthracite my friend:)
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:29 pm

But don't forget the mandate that our President just handed to the EPA. It has me concerned.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)


Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: Pacowy On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:38 pm

nuthcuntrynut wrote:Is there a real chance this administration can stop production of coal? should i be looking at renewable heat sources now(again)? this is what has me wondering if i do buy a stoker boiler can i convert it to a pellet gun if need be. any thoughts? this guy really wants to break the working guy


AFAIK the EFM's are certified as multifuel units and will burn pellets.

Mike
Pacowy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: H.B. Smith 350 Mills boiler/EFM 85R stoker
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/anthracite

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: nuthcuntrynut On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:08 pm

lsayre wrote:But don't forget the mandate that our President just handed to the EPA. It has me concerned.

what mandate?
nuthcuntrynut
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: wl110 leisure line
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: ussc pellet stove
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: WL 110

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:13 pm

nuthcuntrynut wrote:what mandate?


The one that Obama wants to be in place and made public by September 20th.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/e ... z2XoUQUXTq

But of course he can't wait for them to get started:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/white-hou ... le/2532346
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:21 pm

It's all political posturing. Very little will happen and certainly nothing to anthracite production.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:17 pm

Obama is after the power plants, not homeowners.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:30 pm

coaledsweat wrote:.....not homeowners.


So far, there was some rumors floating around for a short time about new regs on newly purchased coal units like they did with wood stoves and if they are going to go after homeowners that is where it will happen.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:44 pm

Richard S. wrote:
coaledsweat wrote:.....not homeowners.


So far, there was some rumors floating around for a short time about new regs on newly purchased coal units like they did with wood stoves and if they are going to go after homeowners that is where it will happen.



We were given an extension for the exemption of coal burning appliances 2 yrs ago. It looks like we are ok for a while anyway. The testing proved anthracite to be very clean burning.
Basically there is very little particulates emitted from anthracite. Which is what they are concerned about with wood. Basically they were looking for the particulates to be 10micron or less. (smoke basically)
Anthracite particulates mostly stays in the ash pan. Not saying it can't happen but unlikely anyway.
Flyer5
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: nuthcuntrynut On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:12 pm

now that's good news, of course if anthracite is better, wonder if power plants wouldn't try and use it, driving anthracite thru the roof for homeowners. but that is good news either way
nuthcuntrynut
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: wl110 leisure line
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: ussc pellet stove
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: WL 110

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:20 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
Richard S. wrote:
coaledsweat wrote:.....not homeowners.


So far, there was some rumors floating around for a short time about new regs on newly purchased coal units like they did with wood stoves and if they are going to go after homeowners that is where it will happen.



We were given an extension for the exemption of coal burning appliances 2 yrs ago. It looks like we are ok for a while anyway. The testing proved anthracite to be very clean burning.
Basically there is very little particulates emitted from anthracite. Which is what they are concerned about with wood. Basically they were looking for the particulates to be 10micron or less. (smoke basically)
Anthracite particulates mostly stays in the ash pan. Not saying it can't happen but unlikely anyway.


Very smart!!!

We have had video's and a public propaganda agenda for decades tricking people into thinking coal is "dirty"... the fact is Flyer is absolutely correct ... They cant find fault with ANTHRACITE COAL! They try...ohhhhh how they try.... they have tests runs at university's, they bring in the EPA to conduct tests, they even try to pull from the crappiest anthracite mines they can find... ITS NEVER WORKED and the reason is because its cleaner than anything else we use to heat our houses short of electric/solar :lol: If they pull anthracite off the shelf they might as well pull oil of the shelf too :lol: AINT GONNA HAPPEN!
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

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PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:29 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
Richard S. wrote:
coaledsweat wrote:.....not homeowners.


So far, there was some rumors floating around for a short time about new regs on newly purchased coal units like they did with wood stoves and if they are going to go after homeowners that is where it will happen.



We were given an extension for the exemption of coal burning appliances 2 yrs ago. It looks like we are ok for a while anyway. The testing proved anthracite to be very clean burning.
Basically there is very little particulates emitted from anthracite. Which is what they are concerned about with wood. Basically they were looking for the particulates to be 10micron or less. (smoke basically)
Anthracite particulates mostly stays in the ash pan. Not saying it can't happen but unlikely anyway.


The EPA is moving to PM 2.5reglations ... Particle Matter @ 2.5 microns

    Particle Pollution (PM10) and (PM2.5)
    Particle pollution (also known as "particulate matter") in the air includes a mixture of solids and liquid droplets. Some particles are emitted directly; others are formed in the atmosphere when other pollutants react. Particles come in a wide range of sizes. Those less than 10 micrometers in diameter (PM10) are so small that they can get into the lungs, potentially causing serious health problems. Ten micrometers is smaller than the width of a single human hair.

    Fine particles (PM2.5). Particles less than 2.5 micrometers in diameter are called "fine" particles. These particles are so small they can be detected only with an electron microscope. Sources of fine particles include all types of combustion, including motor vehicles, power plants, residential wood burning, forest fires, agricultural burning, and some industrial processes.


    Coarse dust particles. Particles between 2.5 and 10 micrometers in diameter are referred to as "coarse." Sources of coarse particles include crushing or grinding operations, and dust stirred up by vehicles traveling on roads.

The concern is the very small particles can be absorbed thru the lung and travel into the bloodstream. Any chemical or metal contained in the particle makes its way into the body this way. This isn't new but it has been moving along ...
VigIIPeaBurner
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Casting Vigilant II 2310
Other Heating: #2 Oil Furnace

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:02 pm

if they reduce the small particulates to 2 microns will we even be able to drive anymore :shock:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: just when i decide to switch to coal wham!

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:06 pm

No sneezing either.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea